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UMAT 2017 Results Discussion

Discussion in 'UMAT' started by LMG!, Sep 1, 2017.

  1. biom

    biom Regular Member

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    I would guess this as well A1 .

    UNSW only deals in WAMs internally. They like it so much that one faculty produces a competing WAM which they assess is more representative of performance.

    Strange that we cannot have a common grading system in Australia.
     
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    I wrote a brief explanation for it in the Q8 part of this post > [Applying for Med] FAQs on the Basics

    together with numbers given by UNSW Med themselves: 99.95/86%ile=50% chance, 97.6/96%ile=5% chance, 99.9/99%ile= pretty high chance, 99.0/90%ile=low chance (since it's just enough to get an interview) etc. Then interpolate approximately for the numbers in between.

    Not sure if the method works the same for Monash (which btw uses the same 33/33/33 weighting), I just add 10% to the chance because its place/interviewee ratio is 1 in 2.5 vs UNSW's 1 in 3. If anyone doesn't like this just ignore me haha.
     
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    Brian Hua New Member

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    I'm estimating my WAM to be at the high 80s/ low 90s (HD average) and I have a UMAT percentile of 95. What are my chances of making it into UNSW/WSU/UNE's medical programs assuming I don't screw up interviews?
     
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    biom Regular Member

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    Out of interest, what are you studying and which year are you in?

    They are outstanding marks. Congrats.
     
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    Currently, the first year studying Diagnostic Radiography at USYD.
    Cheers mate :)
     
  6. A1

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    Your chances of making into WSU & JMP are the same as for all interviewees there, 1 in 3 and 1 in 4.

    I see in your other post your ATAR was 96.6, with UNSW this is combined with your GPA to approx mid-98s and with 95%ile I guess around 30% chance.
     
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    Hahah no I appreciate it, gives me an approx sense of direction and where I'm sitting at! Thanks A1 :clap:
     
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    What would happen for a university where the HD equivalent is at 80 not 85 e.g. unimelb where to get a H1 in a subject you need 80 in the course?
     
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    As far as I'm aware, it's all 'evened out' between applicants by the various admissions centres. Even UTAS, who do not have an admissions centre as such (ie. UAC, VTAC) use a similar external agency process to complete all the initial rankings.
     
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    Just an update. I have asked SATAC what my equivalent ATAR is from the A-Level results I obtained in my final year of high school, and apparently it's 94.20 :(. Given that my GPA will stay ~6.75+ (my NZ GPA is 8.71/9, 5 papers above 90%, 1 paper 87%, 1 paper 89%), what are my chances now for UNSW/JMP with a good UMAT?
     
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    To be honest, given that Adelaide's medical school doesn't accept anyone with a tertiary record, your ATAR in South Australia didn't really matter.

    However, if you assume that the other states will give you the same ATAR:

    JMP will deem you below the ATAR cutoff (94.3) however you would be able to use that GPA to satisfy the cutoff instead; it's then 100% on your interview and PQA (if you made the 61/50/50 cutoff in UMAT).

    UNSW would use your ATAR and your GPA and combine them (I expect this would bump you to around the equivalent of a ~96 ATAR if that). To even get an interview at UNSW would require a UMAT in the 200's, and even so your chances are pretty slim to none unless your UMAT was in the 230+ range (and you might not even make the ATAR equivalent range with that ATAR and GPA). This is one where you're welcome to try, but you're highly, highly unlikely to get a place.
     
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    +1 on the JMP comment. For UNSW I checked UAC table A9, the mid-point aggregate between 99.5 and 94.0 corresponds to around mid-97s so I hope UAC/UNSW will give dreytho97 that.

    With mid-97s you'll need 96%ile UMAT to scrape an interview (ref UNSW giving 97.6/96th 5% chance), or 99%ile+ for somewhat realistic chance.
     
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    Thank you for your analyses, Mana and A1! If worse comes to worst, I'll probably just do GAMSAT instead :).

    At the risk of making the situation a little more confusing, I've received an early(?) offer for BVisSc/MClinOptom at UNSW, which usually has an ATAR cut-off of 98.00 (although last year, main round cut-off was 97.00).
     
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    Only speculating but combining ATAR+GPA may be UNSW Med's choice, not UNSW-wide. The other school could consider your GPA only which is well above 98.0
     
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    Hello ladies and gentleman,
    Just wondering what my options are considering that I failed the umat this year heavily. For starters, I believe that I may receive an ATAR of low 99's and if not, definitely in the high 98's. For the SA universities, I am eligible for University Equity bonus points which are for financial hardships and will boost a 98.2 to 99.95 so I would say it's same to assume I can get 98.2 which for SA universities is treated as a 99.95, which gives a bit of leeway as Adelaide uni is 40% atar whereas flinders is 90% ATAR and 10% UMAT. I am currently looking into do year 13 next year but only doing the subjects of English and chem so I have the interstate options, but I really would prefer to stay within Adelaide. If I were to go to Uni next year and resit UMAT, there's a bit of a problem as the Uni of Adelaide will only accept their own students whereas flinders only accepts school leavers. This can be a problem as Adelaide does not have any worthwhile degrees that have a decent guaranteed career at the end like physio or optometry whereas Flinders does, but if I go to flinders, I rule out the option of undergrad Med in SA completely. I do not want to do any Healh Science course as what if I never pass the UMAT and end up with the degree which is of no use to me. What would you do in my situation?
    Thanks
     
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    Are Monash meant to email about the Dean's Rural and Indigenous lists soon?
     
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    Well, on the Monash website it says:

    "All eligible timely VTAC applicants for the Medicine course will be invited by the Faculty Admissions Unit to submit additional information to confirm their eligibility requirements for the DRL."

    Considering that interview invites are sent late December for Vic, DRL and DIL applicants (refer to Interview Invites and Dates 2017-18), they would probably send out emails around early to mid November? Though that's just speculation.
     
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    There are a number of people who complete a gap year in order to maintain their ATAR/school leaver status. It seems more common in some states than others and can be a viable option if done with purpose. But asking questions about it is a very good move.

    I'm going to tag a couple of people who are familiar with the SA system and can probably help you more than me in this area :D

    (Dr.Potato FlyingAce B2 Mana)
     
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    Well, firstly I would like to say that you're in the EXACT same boat as most of the medicine applicants in South Australia who do not end up with 99.8+ ATARs and the EXACT same boat as me. Your options as stated;

    I started the health and medical sciences(advanced) degree at Adelaide before I got a later offer into medicine, and I can 100% say that the atmosphere is very competitive. Most ( and by most I mean like 90%) of people starting that degree + health and medical sciences (normal) are trying to transfer into medicine. Including applicants who are eligible to apply from any Adelaide degree, your competition is upwards of 500 people for 15 places. In this competition, finding applicants with ATARs of 99.60 or even higher who have deferred their place in medicine(interstate) is not uncommon. By saying this, I mean to say that everyone will get the GPA required to meet Medicine Cutoffs thus, the spots are solely down to the best UMAT+ Interview performances. As Mana says, past performance is the best predictor for future performance in the UMAT.

    Now, the time I spent starting my degree in Adelaide, I also enrolled into year 13 and started that side by side (allowed up till the census date). I find that this stream required less work, as you have already guaranteed yourself the SA ATAR equiv of 99.95 and had more time to work on UMAT. But if you don't get the UMAT required ( Note: Cutoffs are only going upwards), you will have grandly wasted a complete year with nothing to show for it ; unless you can guarantee yourself that a repeat will provide you with a raw ATAR of 99.8+ which no one can do.

    Your other option is to pursue a back up career through the University of Adelaide. By this I mean eg back up career is physiotherapy ; you can start the health and medical science degree at Adelaide, resit the UMAT and try for the non standard places at all eligible Universities. At the end of your degree, you can try for post graduate places, but if this still does not work out, you can complete the "Masters of Physiotherapy" course at flinders following your degree to be a qualified physiotherapist.

    I hope this helps, good luck !
     
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    LMG! in your collated data post there are 5 Flinders non-rural offers, one was 99.85 and four 99.95 . Can you confirm whether these were their "raw" or after UES-bonus ATARs?

    If they were raw I start to think Flinders does not count the ATAR bonus in their provisional Med offers, because if they do we should see offers more evenly spread out between 98.2 & 99.95
     

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