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'What papers should I do at UoO for graduate entry' Chat/enquiries

Discussion in 'NZ Graduate Entry' started by Ramza, Oct 18, 2010.

  1. Stuart

    Stuart Active NZ Member

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    Hi,

    Have you guys considered all other options/courses also?
     
  2. QuestionMark

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    I looked into BSc majoring in Pharmacology/Physiology. The 200-level papers requirement are pretty much the same as Biomedical Sciences, just BIOC221 and BIOC223 that I'm not sure about. Will BIOC221/BIOC223 be too much workload? Would you suggest picking up some 100-level papers in place of BIOC? I only picked BIOC221/223 because I really enjoyed BIOC192.
     
  3. Venronux

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    @QuestionMark and @curiouscrustacean both of your paper choices look really good. I advise doing 4 papers each semester for second year to keep your options open for third year. The workload is tough, but getting A+'s is achievable. It's nice to do 8 papers just in case you accidentally bomb one of the exams... like I did in my second year.
     
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    asdfdsa New Member

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    hi there, I'm planning on doing BBiomedSc majoring in Drugs and Human health doing: PHAL211, MIC221, GENE221, ANAT241 in sem1 and PATH201, PHAL212, PHSL232 an MICR223 in second sem. Bit worried the work load will be huge.... want an A+ average as want to do Postgrad Medicine (will apply Auckland and Otago). I got an A+ average in HSFY... just didn't do so great in UMAT lol. Any advice/ insight into these papers would be fabulous!!
     
  5. Stuart

    Stuart Active NZ Member

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    Hi,

    I would personally recommend something else over BBiomedSc unless you really need the degree for future career options that you actually know of. It could be just me but I see more people with near 9.0 scores from another degree. A lot of my friends chose BSc over BBiomedSc and they are glad they did. Some people just jump into BBiomedSc without doing enough research about the course or career opportunities that may follow IN COMPARISON to other degress. However, BBiomedSc is a great degree nonetheless.

    In terms of the workload, I would not say BBiomedSc is worse than any other degrees. Most degrees/papers require a lot of effort and they are about the same if you really look into it/take the papers yourself. Essentially, don't choose a degree based on it's workload. After all, you can do the same papers (almost) in a Bsc.

    A lot of those papers you mentioned were discussed to some extent on the Graduate Entry sub-forum. Some are a bit outdated but it's a good start for now. I recommend making use of the search function at the top right corner of the website.

    Good luck and hats off to your A+ average in HSFY.
     
  6. asdfdsa

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    Hey sorry to bombard you with more questions, but why BSC over BBiomedSc? I thought that doing the BBiomedSc would be better, as has fewer compulsory papers, so meant I could do more of the papers that I was interested in?
     
  7. Venronux

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    Hi @asdfdsa

    Firstly, you don't need an A+ average to get into medicine via the post-grad route, but it's great that you've set your standards so high. Doing eight 200 level science papers will demand a lot of time, but it's not extraordinary. Many people do this, and many of them do well. I think you paper selection at the moment is really good. I've done PHAL 211, MICR 221, ANAT 241, PHAL 212, and MICR 223 and liked all of them a lot. I recommend PHSL 233 over PHSL 232. PHSL 233 is a great paper. Note that I didn't actually do PHSL 232, but friends of mine who did both said that PHSL 233 was more enjoyable to study than PHSL 232... unless you really like cardio/respiratory physiology.

    There is really no difference between BBiomedSc and BSc regarding career options... you can't get a decent job in science with either. For that you have to do MSc or PhD, and no one will care what your undergrad degree was if you've got a PhD (NB: I'm not too sure if you can do MSc if you've done BBiomedSc???). I signed up for BBiomedSc in second year but switched to BSc in third year because I just really liked pharmacology and wanted to do more of those papers. Yes, the BBiomedSc degree allows you some flexibility in your paper selection... but you have to choose these papers from a list. I didn't really like the sound of the other 300 level papers you could choose for the Drugs and Human Health major, so BSc was a pretty good choice for me. I was able to do more PHAL papers, and the other papers I wanted to do... which wouldn't have been possible if I had stayed in the BBiomedSc degree. The Bachelor of Science is also more well known overseas... not many universities offer a degreed called Bachelor of Biomedical Science.

    Another thing to be aware of is the structure of the honours course for each degree. For BSc(Hons) you'll do a research project in addition to doing 400 level papers. This means doing assignments, exams, attending lectures etc. For BBiomedSc(Hons) you just do lab work. To my knowledge, there are no extra papers you do... so no lectures to attend, exams etc.

    My advice to you is to keep your current paper selection, work hard, and figure out what subjects you like in second year. At the end of second year you will have a better idea of where you stand in terms of GPA, what subjects you like best, and what degree you think will be most appropriate for you. I also highly recommend doing summer school in 2018.

    Hi @Stuart , can I ask what degrees these people do?
     
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  8. asdfdsa

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    awesome post, Think i'll stick with that then :)
    Thanks so much to both you and @Stuart for your help!!
     
  9. Stuart

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    Hi,

    I definitely agree with what @Venronux said - "...Many people do this, and many of them do well...There is really no difference between BBiomedSc and BSc regarding career options...keep your current paper selection, work hard, and figure out what subjects you like in second year...highly recommend doing summer school in 2018".

    Pure Language (BA), Statistics (BSc, PhD), Mathematics (BSc), Commerce (BCom), Microbiology (BSc), Human Nutrition (BSc), Psychology (BSc), Neuroscience (BSc), Chemistry (Bsc)

    I think my comment <I see more people with near 9.0 scores from another degree> misleading and/or exaggerated. I would say the above people have 8.0 - 9.0 scores. Where as the people I know from BBiomedSc (although I don't know many, just a few) have 7.0 - 8.0 scores. In reality, who knows what the average scores are for BSc Vs BBiomedSc. I would be interested to know.

    In what way is BBiomedSc "better" than BSc? Is this even a valid question? I don't believe one degree is inherently better than the other. It all comes down to what YOU want/what YOU want to get out of. < has fewer compulsory papers, so meant I could do more of the papers that I was interested in> This is so not true and does not apply to everyone. I think Venronux's case proves that well. It depends on the paper selection which will have a big say in whether BSc or BBiomedSc will suit you better. Like I said, BSc/BAppSc can do the same (almost) papers as BBiomedSc.

    From what I have seen, many people change their mind/courses gazillion times and you will be able to switch between degrees/majors during your study but not always. It depends on your paper selection and I think it is a good idea to carefully think about plan B selections. For example, I would suggest taking a variety of papers which will count towards a major but also allow you to switch to a different major/course.

    Let me know if I have failed to answer everything (Sorry! I am writing on the run). I would be delighted to hear more opinions also.
     
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    Hi I failed Health Science last year failing HUBS192, Bioc192, Pubh192
    So this year I am taking Bachelor of Science (Neuro) and I was wondering if those who took these papers could give me some advice/guid lines on how to survive... I want to get into a health professional course through post graduate but I lost all confidence because of last year
    Here are the papers: GENE221 MAOR110 PHSL231 PSYC111 ANAT242 BIOC192 PSYC211 PUBH192 HUBS192
    And is it possible to do these many 100-level papers and get in through post graduate?
     
  11. Stuart

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    Hi @daydreamsarefree ,

    Welcome to MSO!

    It looks like you had a rough second semester but don't you worry because there are still doors left for you to knock on. Quite a few people seem to fail more than one or two papers each semester/year for various reasons. So, you are not the only one.

    To start off with, if you haven't checked them out yet, we have a few good reads for those who were unsuccessful at gaining the ticket to the professional course(s). They are mostly relevant and should provide a good motivation-boost.

    Guide to Otago MBChB entry via Graduate category - by koochkooch | Med Students Online
    Auckland - Quest for graduate entry to Med - my story :) | Med Students Online
    Otago Vs Auckland Medicine- Where should I GO? | Med Students Online

    As long as you meet the minimum requirements for a degree, it doesn't really matter how many/what papers you take.

    If you have some specific questions about the course/department etc, you might wish to speak to @Oxycodone . However, note that Oxycodone is not around much these days.
    Review of my Neuroscience experience at Otago University - MBChB Graduate entry | Med Students Online

    I am not sure what your story is but it's important that you get back up and change things around if you really want to study medicine. The next two or more years are going to be tough with many, many ups and downs. Your academic potential maybe high but you have failed to prove that you can cope/handle the work and from what I have seen, things don't change over night. Many people who failed HSFY struggle to maintain a competitive GPA.

    It's important that you identify the core problems that prevented you from performing to your potential. Once you have identified them, then you can plan ahead such that they won't interfere with you again. In my opinion, this is the most important step - identification and prevention.

    Which professional course(s) are you pursuing, if I may ask?

    If you have further questions, feel free to ask me or other members around.
     
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