Otago 2017 Otago HSFY Ranking Scores and Offers Thread

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  1. rustyedges

    rustyedges Otago MB ChB Moderator

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    Looks like results are starting to come out now. Anyone who wants an appraisal of their chances of getting into med, or would like future years to have the same information available as we've been able to give you, here's your chance. (Credit to frootloop for this template)

    Why should I post anything at all?
    As you guys all know, for the past few years we've been able to give HSFY students a fairly precise indication of the cutoff data from previous years. This is not because we have access to some "insider information", but because our forum members (even the lurkers who only sign up to post their results or message their results to one of us) have made generous contributions by sharing their own grades and application outcomes. We would like to continue being able to provide precise, recent data for future HSFYers, but to do this, we need your help, and if you've found MSO helpful this year, this is one way of giving something back, and helping us help future HSFYers.

    You'll also benefit yourself by posting your ranking scores (and offers), in addition to helping MSO. Here are a few benefits:
    1. You'll get your ranking score calculation double-checked (if you provide UMAT scores and HSFY grades).
    2. One (or more) of the senior members of the forum will personally give you their opinion on your chances of receiving an offer for medicine.
    3. You'll get to find out how close you are to the actual cutoff when offers come out.

    What is the ranking score, anyway?
    The "Ranking Score" is a score that combines your UMAT section scores and HSFY grades into one number that the admissions office presumably ranks people using. You'll find it mentioned in the admission rules (links below), along with all the weightings. It's an arbitrary number with no units, and there's no minimum or maximum. (So no, it's not out of 100 as it's commonly thought to be.)

    To calculate, there are two components which are combined:

    Weighted UMAT = S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.10
    (S1 = raw score for Section 1, S2 = raw score for Section 2, S3 = raw score for Section 3)

    HSFY Average = (Sum of best 7 grades) / 7

    Rank score = weighted UMAT *0.33 + HSFY average * 0.67

    (Note: If you've done an 8th paper, then it's the average of your best 7; if you haven't, it's just the average of your 7 core papers.)
    (Note 2: If one of your 7 core papers is below 70, then unfortunately you are not eligible for medicine; this applies even if you have taken an 8th paper.)


    Links to official admission rules:
    1) Health Science Admissions Office page: Link
    2) Unviersity Calendar MBChB Rules page: Link


    How do I go about contributing?
    The easiest way is to simply sign up (if you haven't already), and post a reply in this thread with your ranking score (see below), and update it with offer statuses once those come out. Your post can be as detailed or as obscure as you want, ranging from a simple "my ranking score is ..." to a full breakdown of all your marks - all that's really necessary for posting is the willingness to share your ranking score and (eventually) offer status. Do be aware that what you post here is available for the entire world to see (although it's not very meaningful for the rest of the world), so only post what you're comfortable sharing with strangers.

    If you're not comfortable posting your scores publicly, you can send them via private messages and we'll check your calculation and give an opinion on your chances, and your scores will be used to help us work out the cutoff, but will be treated confidentially and only publicly posted in an anonymous manner.

    Here's an example of what your post could look like. You can of course choose how much detail to post (some people go all out and put in their terms test marks), but a ranking score is essential, and I would encourage you to provide as much information as you're comfortable providing, especially if you'd like your ranking score double (or triple) checked by some senior members.

    Example:

    (Note: Obviously you can go back and edit in the offer statuses later on; at this stage you can just put what you've applied for)

    So how are my chances?
    The cutoffs for straight into med (that is, direct offer without being on waiting list) for the last few years have been:
    2011: 78.9
    2012: 79.8
    2013: 79.8-80.0
    2014: 78.3-78.4
    2015: 79.60
    2016: 81.02

    Like any other year, this cutoff can move in either direction, depending on prevailing UMATs, prevailing grades, and how the admissions office feels (seriously, they get the ultimate decision on the HSFY : Graduate : Other ratio). Anything above the past cutoffs should, at the very least, give you a good chance with the waitlist. However there are no guarantees that the cutoff point will not move.

    We reckon that anyone with ranking score over 82 should feel very safe, but this does not by any means imply a score below 82 doesn't have a good chance. Unfortunately we are unaware of the cutoff point from previous years for entry off the waiting list.


    As for the waitlist:

    Yes, plenty of people get in off the waitlist. A certain number of places are held aside for people sitting special exams over summer, and obviously a lot of those people don't get in, freeing up those spaces. And a not-insignificant number of people turn down med for dentistry/pharmacy/other, or simply realise medicine isn't for them. People even drop out within several weeks of getting into the course, there was a guy who joined my 2nd year clinical skills group two weeks late. And then there's the people who get offers at Australian/other schools and head over there. So being waitlisted is NOT a 'decline' letter. As far as I know, if you email the admissions office they tell you where (to within 5 places) on the list you sit. My own (read: my own) observation on MSO has been that the top 20-25ish on the waitlist seem to end up with offers.

    The lowest waitlist entry score I could find in the 2014 thread was a 77.64. The lowest score posted on the 2013 version of this thread for getting in off the waitlist was a 78.95, nearly a point lower than the direct cut-off. By comparison, the lowest waitlist score I could find for my year (2011) was 78.7, which is only 0.2 lower than the direct cut-of. So the number of people declining (and/or the number of people with very similar scores) each year changes quite a bit.


    We'll make a waitlist thread after first-round offers are released, which, cruelly, is usually <10 days out from Christmas.

    Disclaimer:
    As I'm sure you can all appreciate, any advice anyone gives you about your chances via MSO is speculative only (albeit based on previous year's cut-offs), and as such cannot be guaranteed to be correct. That said, we're obviously not trying to mislead you, and any advice we do give is with the best of intentions, and to the best of our knowledge.
     
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    Edited because STAT came out!

    UMAT:
    S1: 66
    S2: 62
    S3: 59
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 63.5

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 90%
    CELS191: 90%
    HUBS191: 95%
    PHSI191: 86% :'( expected, but disappointed - at least I can ignore it!
    PUBH192: 92%
    BIOC192: 91%
    HUBS192: 87% :/ gosh darn it
    STAT115: 93% when I thought I failed!!

    HSFY average: 91.14%

    (63.5*0.33)+(91.14*0.67) = 21.16 + 61.06 = 82.02
    Ranking score:
    82.02

    Applications:

    Medicine: Offered and accepted!
     
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  3. tomleegolf

    tomleegolf 2nd year med at Otago

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    UMAT:
    S1: 68
    S2: 83
    S3: 62
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 74.15 (100th percentile)

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 94%
    CELS191: 96%
    HUBS191: 94%
    PHSI191: 99%
    PUBH192: 94%
    BIOC192: 96%
    HUBS192: 96%
    HSFY average: 95.57%

    Ranking score: 88.5

    Applications:
    Medicine (accepted :D)
     
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    Clav Otago MB ChB II Gunner

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    You're a beast. Welcome to Medicine! :p
     
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    apollos Member

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    I don't think there's any need for you to cross your fingers! Awesome job this year! :clap:
     
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    rustyedges Otago MB ChB Moderator

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    Every other year these results would have been enough for a a direct entry to medicine, and there's no reason to expect a big change in the cutoff this year. Good luck :)



    Not too shabby... Who knows, you might sneak in :p
     
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    Worked out my rank score is just over 85. Hopefully we are not a super hardworking brilliant cohort and that cutoff doesn’t do a big jump this year. Good luck to us all.

    Received and accepted an offer for med today. Many thanks to MSO for all the advice over the year.
     
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    HSFY

    HUBS191 - 89%
    PHSI191 - 82%
    CHEM191 - 88%
    CELS191 - 90%
    HUBS192 - 94%
    PUBH192 - 83%
    BIOC192 - 90%

    Overall average = 88%
    0.67 x 88 = 58.96

    UMAT

    S1 - 63
    S2 - 77
    S3 - 54

    0.33 x ((0.45 x 63) + (0.45 x 77) + (0.1 x 54)) = 22.572

    Rank score
    58.96 + 22.572 = 81.532

    Applied to Medicine

    I also did STAT115, and have no idea how well I did in that. Will update when the marks come out. But for now, can anyone shed some light on my odds of getting directly into medicine? Do you guys reckon the minimum rank score needed will increase as much as it did last time?
     
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    Updated

    UMAT
    :
    S1: 50
    S2: 58
    S3: 51
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 53.7

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 95%
    CELS191: 98%
    HUBS191: 97%
    PHSI191: 96%
    PUB192: 97%
    BIOC192: 99%
    HUBS192: 99%

    Health sci average: 97.3%

    Ranking score: 82.9
    Applications:

    Medicine:
     
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    rustyedges Otago MB ChB Moderator

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    Every year this score would have given you a direct offer, and hopefully STAT would give you a boost too. There's no reason to think the rank score needed will rise dramatically, but it's also good to also have a backup just in case something drastic happens. Good luck :)


    Well done on a very impressive average! That score should give you an offer for medicine, unless something drastic happens.
     
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    UMAT:
    S1: 68
    S2: 60
    S3: 51
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 62.7

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 92%
    CELS191: 90%
    HUBS191: 94%
    PHSI191: 86%
    PUBH192: 91%
    BIOC192: 90%
    HUBS192: 91%
    MAOR102: 85% haha bombed the essay :')
    HSFY average: 90.57

    Ranking score:
    81.37

    Applications:

    Medicine: offered and accepted! :)
    Dentistry: offered
    Pharmacy: offered
     
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    highonlime Chronically wrong

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    Seen as I've managed to get through health sci and I'm still mostly in control of my mental faculties, I guess I can work up the courage to finally post something.

    UMAT
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    S1: 60
    S2: 66
    S3: 42
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 60.9

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 94%
    CELS191: 98%
    HUBS191: 97%
    PHSI191: 98%
    PUBH192: 95%
    BIOC192: 98% (not the slightest clue how this happened, I was convinced I'd completely messed up the final :confused: bizarre stuff)
    HUBS192: 99%

    HSFY average: 97% exactly (my goal :D )

    Ranking score:
    85.087 (& rural)

    All in all a memorable year, although I do wish I'd been able to make a few more friends (my usual failing :().
    I very very nearly screwed myself over with UMAT, believed the info that you "can't study for it" without really looking at threads up until right before it and then was so stressed the night before that I literally slept somewhere around 2 hours. Somehow didn't completely mess everything up other than S3 so :confused:

    Applications:
    Medicine: Applied (now burying my head in some nice soft ground & not thinking about it)
    Dentistry: Didn't get an interview due to my wonderful section 3. (was pretty down about this as it was my original goal for the year :()

    Anyways, good luck everyone, we made it!
     
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    Gosh, I've read through other threads and know to take it with a pinch of salt because MSO always tends to have better results but now my grades feel pitiful :oops:

    Regardless, awesome job guys, you've all clearly worked really, really hard and totally deserve to get into whatever you've applied to!
     
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    UMAT:

    S1: 93
    S2: 67
    S3: 48

    Weighted = 76.8


    HSFY:

    HUBS191: 89%
    CELS191: 86%
    CHEM191: 92%
    PHSI191: 87%

    HUBS192: 86%
    BIOC192: 84%
    PUBH192: 89%
    MAOR102: 88%

    HSFY average: 88.14%


    Ranking score: 84.4


    Applied for:
    Medicine
     
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    tomleegolf 2nd year med at Otago

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    Damn some insane grades in here!
     
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    UMAT:
    S1: 61
    S2: 70
    S3: 42
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1 = 63.15
    Weighted= 20.83

    HSFY:
    CHEM191: 81%
    CELS191: 90%
    HUBS191: 89%
    MAOR102: 81%
    PUBH192: 81%
    BIOC192: 85%
    HUBS192: 83%

    HSFY average: 84.28

    Ranking score:
    77.29?

    Applications:

    Medicine - obviously not expecting an offer

    Some pretty disappointing results (especially semester 2) but on the bright side had a fun year haha. Congrats everyone for doing so well!
     
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    rustyedges Otago MB ChB Moderator

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    Anonymous score:

    UMAT:

    (78th percentile)
    S1: 58
    S2: 55
    S3: 54

    Weighted: 18.56

    HSFY:

    PHSI191: 99%
    CELS191: 98%
    HUBS191: 95%
    CHEM191: 97%

    HUBS192: 97%
    PUBH192: 94%
    BIOC192: 94%
    STATS: 99%

    HSFY average: 97.00%

    Weighted: 64.99

    Ranking score: 83.55

    Applications:
    Medicine - Offered (and accepted!!)
    Med Lab - Offered
    Pharmacy - Offered
    Physio - Declined
     
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    UMAT:
    S1: 66
    S2: 58
    S3: 47
    Overall: S1 x 0.45 + S2 x 0.45 + S3 x 0.1= 60.5
    Weighted: 60.5 x 0.33= 19.965

    HSFY:
    85, 88, 90, 94, 94, 96, 97
    HSFY average: 92%
    Weighted: 92 x 0.67= 61.64

    Ranking score:
    81.605

    Applications:

    Medicine:
    Dentistry:

    Fingers crossed :)
     
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    UMAT:

    (34th percentile :()
    S1: 63
    S2: 36
    S3: 42

    Weighted: 48.75 x 0.33 = 16.09

    HSFY:

    PHSI191: 94%
    CELS191: 85%
    HUBS191: 96%
    CHEM191: 70%

    HUBS192: 92%
    PUBH192: 96%
    BIOC192: 94%
    STATS: 97%

    HSFY average: 93.43%

    Weighted: 62.59

    Ranking score: 78.68


    Applications:
    Medicine - looks like i'll be trying for another 2 years

    Cheers UMAT :(
     
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    UMAT:
    S1: 64
    S2: 48 (thought it was my best section :( )
    S3: 42

    Weighted: 54.6 x 0.33= 18.018

    HSFY:

    PHYSI191: 96%
    CELS191: 95%
    HUBS191: 94%
    CHEM191: 90%

    HUBS192: 95%
    PUBH: 88%
    BIOC192: 91%
    STAT192: 90%

    HSFY average: 93%
    Weighted: 62.31

    Ranking score: 80.328

    Rural


    Application:

    Medicine:
     
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