What do you mean by “treated differently”? By who?Apologies for my ignorance. I think you summed it quite well. I wasn't aware that CSPs and BMPs could/might be treated differently. Is this true?
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What do you mean by “treated differently”? By who?Apologies for my ignorance. I think you summed it quite well. I wasn't aware that CSPs and BMPs could/might be treated differently. Is this true?
I mean, it's pretty clear cut - you either fulfill your ROS or you cough up the cash. As for where you'd place BMPs on your preferences (some unis such as Adelaide and Monash have separate course codes for CSPs and BMPs), that's entirely at your discretion.
Apologies for my ignorance. I think you summed it quite well. I wasn't aware that CSPs and BMPs could/might be treated differently. Is this true?
Apologies, I mean the separate course codes for CSPs and BMPs.What do you mean by “treated differently”? By who?
I still don’t know what you mean. Are you saying you didn’t realise some unis separate the course codes for CSP and BMP? I think UQ, Monash and Adelaide are the only few that do that (but happy to be corrected here).Apologies, I mean the separate course codes for CSPs and BMPs.
I still don’t know what you mean. Are you saying you didn’t realise some unis separate the course codes for CSP and BMP? I think UQ, Monash and Adelaide are the only few that do that (but happy to be corrected here).
Yes, I didn't know that some unis separate the course codes for CSP and BMP.I still don’t know what you mean. Are you saying you didn’t realise some unis separate the course codes for CSP and BMP? I think UQ, Monash and Adelaide are the only few that do that (but happy to be corrected here).
This would be for administrative reasons, not in order to treat students differently. The BMPs aren't made to sit in separate lecture theatres and the like.Yes, I didn't know that some unis separate the course codes for CSP and BMP.
If you can afford it honestly that doesn’t sound like a bad deal a place in med for 25k a year which you only have to pay when you finish your degree so there’s time to make atleast some of the moneyIf you are unsure just opt in for now. If when you receive a bonded offer and at that stage don't want it you can decline (and make someone really happy to inherit it).
Or you can go through with the degree then not serve the Return of service. Penalty for that is you pay back the gov subsidy for your med course. About $25k times 5 years of study = $125K, only a third compared to Bond and you will have worked a few years to save up to pay.
This is my viewpoint on this (which I actually feel pretty strongly about): [2020 entry and beyond] Guide to Bonded Medical PlacesIf you can afford it honestly that doesn’t sound like a bad deal a place in med for 25k a year which you only have to pay when you finish your degree so there’s time to make atleast some of the money
This completely defeats the purpose though especially considering how it’s supposed to minimise the oversaturation of doctors in metro areas.If you can afford it honestly that doesn’t sound like a bad deal a place in med for 25k a year which you only have to pay when you finish your degree so there’s time to make atleast some of the money
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This completely defeats the purpose though especially considering how it’s supposed to minimise the oversaturation of doctors in metro areas.
You're also (a) breaching a contract you signed in good faith, (b) wasting the government's money, and (c) robbing the rural community of a desperately needed healthcare professional (i.e. someone who would have actually completed the RoS if they had been able to have your bonded place). Doesn't sound like such a great option to me.If you can afford it honestly that doesn’t sound like a bad deal a place in med for 25k a year which you only have to pay when you finish your degree so there’s time to make atleast some of the money
Sounds like a way to make a financial rod for your own back. You don't make a mint as a JMO (saving that amount would take a long time) and taking out a loan at that point in your life should be for things to get ahead in life (eg a mortgage) rather than paying off a government penalty. This would be one way of putting yourself on the financial back foot - unless you've got the Bank of Mum and Dad to fall back on, one shouldn't be speaking so blithely about the prospect of paying off such a huge penalty!If you can afford it honestly that doesn’t sound like a bad deal a place in med for 25k a year which you only have to pay when you finish your degree so there’s time to make atleast some of the money
Yep sorry that’s where I was going but I kinda lost my train of thought there. How do they (the government) know that BMPs will be effective in the long term? Like after the ROS is up does the government just assume that those doctors might decide to work rurally?
I’m abt 80% sure when I started my UTAS application there were two course code options CSP & BMP but then before Sep 30th it became one option. Anyways I only applied for the one in the end and I checked a couple of times so yeah pretty sure.In news that will surprise no one: for 2017 entry UTAS had them separated. For 2018, they did not. I know this because I applied both years. For 2019 they went back to separate as we had someone here who only got a BMP despite their very high scores because they accidentally didn’t select CSP.
Who knows what they’ve done this year!
I’m abt 80% sure when I started my UTAS application there were two course code options CSP & BMP but then before Sep 30th it became one option. Anyways I only applied for the one in the end and I checked a couple of times so yeah pretty sure.
I think the general consensus is that they don’t know for absolute sure but they’re hoping? I’ve not been around the system long enough to know how it has played out to date (and don’t have a BMP myself so haven’t actually looked too much into it, I’m afraid). chinaski would probably be able to best speak to this.
You're also (a) breaching a contract you signed in good faith
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Good to know, thanks A1.The contract itself has a provision on breaching
"If You breach the Agreement after completion of Your Medical Course but prior to having completed Your Return of Service Period then You will be required to repay the amounts the Commonwealth has paid the University for Your Bonded Medical Place plus Interest as a debt due to the Commonwealth."
thus after repaying you have complied with the contract you signed in good faith.
See clause 5.6 > https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/6B5C46289ECA3D51CA257EF9000CFE8D/$File/Sample Deed of Agreement 2019.pdf
What do you think the interest rate is like on the so-called debt? That could turn the tables a lot more than they have been already.The contract itself has a provision on breaching
"If You breach the Agreement after completion of Your Medical Course but prior to having completed Your Return of Service Period then You will be required to repay the amounts the Commonwealth has paid the University for Your Bonded Medical Place plus Interest as a debt due to the Commonwealth."
thus after repaying you have complied with the contract you signed in good faith.
See clause 5.6 > https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/6B5C46289ECA3D51CA257EF9000CFE8D/$File/Sample Deed of Agreement 2019.pdf
What do you think the interest rate is like on the so-called debt? That could turn the tables a lot more than they have been already.
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