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Best Course to take for MBBS provisional Entry?

Tsukigami

New Member
I received an offer for the MBBS (provisional Entry for School-Leavers) program from UQ last week

I'm not sure which course to take as my first degree...

I'm thinking of choosing a degree that can make things a little easier when I start the MBBS.
What degree would be most beneficial to study as the first degree?:gen147:
 

lumos

Regular Member
I received an offer for the MBBS (provisional Entry for School-Leavers) program from UQ last week

I'm not sure which course to take as my first degree...

I'm thinking of choosing a degree that can make things a little easier when I start the MBBS.
What degree would be most beneficial to study as the first degree?:gen147:
In my opinion the best courses to do are those that lead as directly as possible into med: things like medical science, biomed or even just a straight science. This way you can take subjects like anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology that will give you a bit of a head start before starting med. UQ squishes their MBBS into four years, which is, believe me, not much time to fit in all the theory that you'll need to know. Monash does the same amount of theory in five years, and most other unis in six. And besides, a lot of first year will be biochem and anatomy that you may well cover in your undergrad units.

You'll also need to get a GPA of 5 to qualify for the MBBS, even as a provisional school leaver. So courses like engineering, which are notoriously difficult to get a great GPA in, probably won't suit. As an aspiring meddie I'm assuming you like science and would enjoy/potentially do well in a science-y course. If for whatever reason something happens and you're not able to go on to the provisional MBBS (you never know what could happen) then it's good to cover all bases and maximise your options, so doing a course that allows you to study anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology will satisfy prerequisites for all other postgrad courses. This will also give you a solid amount of science knowledge for the GAMSAT if, for whatever reason, you find yourself having to sit it.

Basically my advice is to do a science course that will allow you to study a couple of important (in my opinion) subjects. Choose something that you think you'll enjoy and do well in and you'll do great in the MBBS.
 

Tsukigami

New Member
In my opinion the best courses to do are those that lead as directly as possible into med: things like medical science, biomed or even just a straight science. This way you can take subjects like anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology that will give you a bit of a head start before starting med. UQ squishes their MBBS into four years, which is, believe me, not much time to fit in all the theory that you'll need to know. Monash does the same amount of theory in five years, and most other unis in six. And besides, a lot of first year will be biochem and anatomy that you may well cover in your undergrad units.

You'll also need to get a GPA of 5 to qualify for the MBBS, even as a provisional school leaver. So courses like engineering, which are notoriously difficult to get a great GPA in, probably won't suit. As an aspiring meddie I'm assuming you like science and would enjoy/potentially do well in a science-y course. If for whatever reason something happens and you're not able to go on to the provisional MBBS (you never know what could happen) then it's good to cover all bases and maximise your options, so doing a course that allows you to study anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology will satisfy prerequisites for all other postgrad courses. This will also give you a solid amount of science knowledge for the GAMSAT if, for whatever reason, you find yourself having to sit it.

Basically my advice is to do a science course that will allow you to study a couple of important (in my opinion) subjects. Choose something that you think you'll enjoy and do well in and you'll do great in the MBBS.

Thank you for the advice it is very helpful(yy)

At UQ there isn't a Medical Science Program but there is a Health Science program also I've heard that Paramedic Science would be more practical for future MBBS study

Which do you think would be better?

The compulsory courses for Health Science and Paramedic Science are listed below:


[h=1]Health Science[/h]Compulsory (all majors excluding Nutrition) #30 for:
[h=2]Year 1[/h]
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
ANAT10002Systemic Anatomy for Health Sciences
BIOM10002Physiology of the Human Body
[ HPRM11002Introduction to Health Promotion Principles & Strategies
[ or
[ CHEM12212General, Organic & Biological Chemistry
INDH10052Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Health
[ MGTS13012Introduction to Management
[ or
[ CHEM10902Introductory Chemistry
[ or
[ CHEM11002Chemistry 1
PSYC10302Introduction to Psychology: Developmental, Social & Clinical Psychology
PUBH11022Introduction to Population Health
PUBH11032Health Systems & Policy

[h=2]Year 2 & Year 3[/h]
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
NUTR20032Nutrition in the Lifespan
PUBH20042Understanding Health Behaviours
PUBH20072Health Research Methods
PUBH20082Major Diseases & their control
PUBH20102Global Health and Infectious Disease
HLTH30002Legal & Ethical Principles in Health
HLTH30012Practicum in Health Sciences




[h=1]Paramedic Science[/h][h=2][/h]Year 1, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
ANAT11002Anatomy for Paramedics
PMDC11012Public Health for Paramedics
PMDC11024Preparation for Paramedic Practice 1

Year 1, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
BIOM11002Physiology for Paramedics
PATH10002Applied Pathology
PMDC12022Preparation for Paramedic Practice 2

Year 1, Summer Semester
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC13032Paramedic Clinical Placement 1

Year 2, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PCOL20002Introduction to Basic and Clinical Pharmacology
PMDC21002Paramedic Clinical Skills 1
PMDC21012Cardiovascular Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC21022Respiratory Conditions and Emergencies

Year 2, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC22002Paramedic Clinical Skills 2
PMDC22012Trauma & Environmental Emergencies
PMDC22022Behavioural Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC22032Paramedic Clinical Placement 2

Year 3, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
HLTH30002Legal & Ethical Principles in Health
PMDC31012Obstetric & Gynaecological Emergencies
PMDC31022Multispeciality Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC31032Paramedic Clinical Placement 3

Year 3, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC32012Paediatric Emergencies
PMDC32022Preparation for Paramedic Practice 3
PMDC32034Paramedic Clinical Placement 4
 

Tsukigami

New Member
In my opinion the best courses to do are those that lead as directly as possible into med: things like medical science, biomed or even just a straight science. This way you can take subjects like anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology that will give you a bit of a head start before starting med. UQ squishes their MBBS into four years, which is, believe me, not much time to fit in all the theory that you'll need to know. Monash does the same amount of theory in five years, and most other unis in six. And besides, a lot of first year will be biochem and anatomy that you may well cover in your undergrad units.

You'll also need to get a GPA of 5 to qualify for the MBBS, even as a provisional school leaver. So courses like engineering, which are notoriously difficult to get a great GPA in, probably won't suit. As an aspiring meddie I'm assuming you like science and would enjoy/potentially do well in a science-y course. If for whatever reason something happens and you're not able to go on to the provisional MBBS (you never know what could happen) then it's good to cover all bases and maximise your options, so doing a course that allows you to study anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology will satisfy prerequisites for all other postgrad courses. This will also give you a solid amount of science knowledge for the GAMSAT if, for whatever reason, you find yourself having to sit it.

Basically my advice is to do a science course that will allow you to study a couple of important (in my opinion) subjects. Choose something that you think you'll enjoy and do well in and you'll do great in the MBBS.

Thank you for the advice it is very helpful(yy)

At UQ there isn't a Medical Science Program but there is a Health Science program also I've heard that Paramedic Science would be more practical for future MBBS study

Which do you think would be better?

The compulsory courses for Health Science and Paramedic Science are listed below:


Health Science

Compulsory (all majors excluding Nutrition) #30 for:
Year 1

Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
ANAT10002Systemic Anatomy for Health Sciences
BIOM10002Physiology of the Human Body
[ HPRM11002Introduction to Health Promotion Principles & Strategies
[ or
[ CHEM12212General, Organic & Biological Chemistry
INDH10052Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Health
[ MGTS13012Introduction to Management
[ or
[ CHEM10902Introductory Chemistry
[ or
[ CHEM11002Chemistry 1
PSYC10302Introduction to Psychology: Developmental, Social & Clinical Psychology
PUBH11022Introduction to Population Health
PUBH11032Health Systems & Policy

Year 2 & Year 3

Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
NUTR20032Nutrition in the Lifespan
PUBH20042Understanding Health Behaviours
PUBH20072Health Research Methods
PUBH20082Major Diseases & their control
PUBH20102Global Health and Infectious Disease
HLTH30002Legal & Ethical Principles in Health
HLTH30012Practicum in Health Sciences




Paramedic Science

Year 1, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
ANAT11002Anatomy for Paramedics
PMDC11012Public Health for Paramedics
PMDC11024Preparation for Paramedic Practice 1

Year 1, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
BIOM11002Physiology for Paramedics
PATH10002Applied Pathology
PMDC12022Preparation for Paramedic Practice 2

Year 1, Summer Semester
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC13032Paramedic Clinical Placement 1

Year 2, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PCOL20002Introduction to Basic and Clinical Pharmacology
PMDC21002Paramedic Clinical Skills 1
PMDC21012Cardiovascular Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC21022Respiratory Conditions and Emergencies

Year 2, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC22002Paramedic Clinical Skills 2
PMDC22012Trauma & Environmental Emergencies
PMDC22022Behavioural Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC22032Paramedic Clinical Placement 2

Year 3, Semester 1
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
HLTH30002Legal & Ethical Principles in Health
PMDC31012Obstetric & Gynaecological Emergencies
PMDC31022Multispeciality Conditions & Emergencies
PMDC31032Paramedic Clinical Placement 3

Year 3, Semester 2
Course CodeUnitsCourse Title
PMDC32012Paediatric Emergencies
PMDC32022Preparation for Paramedic Practice 3
PMDC32034Paramedic Clinical Placement 4
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Pick the degree that holds some interest for you. What are you interested in? You know, aside from medicine?
 

drfatcat

Cool Hwhip!
Just wondering, if that was a typo. Isn't it meant to be GPA of 4?
I think it used to be 4, but that was several years ago. Like what others said, GPA of 5 is very reasonable.
 

Cide

Regular Member
Pick the degree that holds some interest for you. What are you interested in? You know, aside from medicine?
^This! To some degree at least. I know a few students that took a different degree from provisional entry, rather than science, and they manage fine once they hit med. Yes, they do have to play catch up with some of the simple biology, that is more or less passed over in med, but because they haven't done it before they aren't uninterested by it. Also, they aren't burnt out from years of science (which can be a hard slog).

As for the GPA I believe it started off as a 5.0, however they decreased it to a 4.0 following some provisional entry students not maintaining a 5.0 in their 2 years of science or whatever. I'm guessing since you now have to complete 3 years of undergrad they have increased it to a 5.0 again.
 

Tomorrow

New Member
Hi, Tsukigami, most people choose to study a BSc majoring in Biomed, but you can study anything you want, like pharmacy etc. This info from the 2013 UQ forum might help you. ^_^
1. Students coming in from 2013 in all programs must maintain a GPA of at least 5 across their premedical program to retain their Provisional Entry to the MD and must complete their premedical degree in minimum time.

2. The BSc is preferred over the 4 year programs such as the BBiomedSc as preparation for the MD, as it provides more flexibility to study a breadth of areas additional to the Science courses and relevant to Medicine.

3. Students in the MD dual degree program will NOT be following the types of plans that the students in the BSc/MBBS followed (namely the accelerated two year BSc degree in which course prerequisites were waived). There were special rules that applied to the BSc/MBBS program will not apply to the 3 year BSc for the incoming students. For example, the students will not be taking BIOL1040 until 2nd semester, along with the rest of the Science students.

4. For BSc students planning to take a major in Biomedical Science or related areas, then a suitable study plan for 1st semester is BIOL1020, CHEM1010 (or CHEM1090 for anyone who did not take Chemistry at school), and 2 from SCIE1000, BIOL1030, PHYS1171, PSYC1020 and PSYC1030. Students who are thinking about other majors or are thinking about varying from this plan for any reason should make an appointment to see Lesley for academic advising as soon as possible.

5. For Provisional Entry students in any programs (except those taking a health science program such as the BPharm), they will need to fit in the the following Science courses to meet the prior knowledge that will be assumed in the MD: BIOL1020, BIOL1040, CHEM1010, 1 of CHEM1020 or CHEM1021 or CHEM1022, BIOM2020, BIOL2200, BIOC2000, BIOM2011 and BIOM2012.
It will, of course, always be helpful to have prior knowledge in other areas such as Genetics (e.g.BIOL2202, BIOC3003), Pharmacology(e.g. BIOM2402, BIOM3401, BIOM3402), Microbiology & Immunology(e.g. MICR2000, MICR3001, MICR3002, MICR3003) etc, but these will not be assumed at 2nd level in as prior knowledge for students coming into the MD."
 

Tsukigami

New Member
In my opinion the best courses to do are those that lead as directly as possible into med: things like medical science, biomed or even just a straight science. This way you can take subjects like anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology that will give you a bit of a head start before starting med. UQ squishes their MBBS into four years, which is, believe me, not much time to fit in all the theory that you'll need to know. Monash does the same amount of theory in five years, and most other unis in six. And besides, a lot of first year will be biochem and anatomy that you may well cover in your undergrad units.

You'll also need to get a GPA of 5 to qualify for the MBBS, even as a provisional school leaver. So courses like engineering, which are notoriously difficult to get a great GPA in, probably won't suit. As an aspiring meddie I'm assuming you like science and would enjoy/potentially do well in a science-y course. If for whatever reason something happens and you're not able to go on to the provisional MBBS (you never know what could happen) then it's good to cover all bases and maximise your options, so doing a course that allows you to study anatomy, biochemistry, biology and physiology will satisfy prerequisites for all other postgrad courses. This will also give you a solid amount of science knowledge for the GAMSAT if, for whatever reason, you find yourself having to sit it.

Basically my advice is to do a science course that will allow you to study a couple of important (in my opinion) subjects. Choose something that you think you'll enjoy and do well in and you'll do great in the MBBS.

Thank you for the advice it is very helpful(yy)

At UQ there isn't a Medical Science Program but there is a Health Science program also I've heard that Paramedic Science would be more practical for future MBBS study

Which do you think would be better?
 

chinaski

Regular Member
As for the GPA I believe it started off as a 5.0, however they decreased it to a 4.0 following some provisional entry students not maintaining a 5.0 in their 2 years of science or whatever. I'm guessing since you now have to complete 3 years of undergrad they have increased it to a 5.0 again.
You'd think that maintaining a GPA of 5.0 over three years would be harder for someone who couldn't deliver a minimum 4.0 requirement over a shorter period of time. The latter GPA is a bit of a joke - I'd hope the return to the 5.0 GPA is more reflective of establishing a better standard which isn't altered in order to accommodate students who appear to be struggling with university.
 

Cide

Regular Member
You'd think that maintaining a GPA of 5.0 over three years would be harder for someone who couldn't deliver a minimum 4.0 requirement over a shorter period of time. The latter GPA is a bit of a joke - I'd hope the return to the 5.0 GPA is more reflective of establishing a better standard which isn't altered in order to accommodate students who appear to be struggling with university.
This is hearsay, but I believe a student argued that since they had to complete second year courses in their first year, their foundation wasn't great enough in science to maintain a 5.0. Obviously, this is ridiculous. Students who can't manage to maintain a 5.0 in science will struggle come med.
 

chinaski

Regular Member
This is hearsay, but I believe a student argued that since they had to complete second year courses in their first year, their foundation wasn't great enough in science to maintain a 5.0. Obviously, this is ridiculous. Students who can't manage to maintain a 5.0 in science will struggle come med.
I wouldn't suggest that medicine is more challenging than science, but I would certainly be worried about how the student was approaching their studies, regardless of content. I daresay more of it is to do with immaturity and poor adjustment to university, rather than inability per se.
 

Jordan

Regular Member
This is hearsay, but I believe a student argued that since they had to complete second year courses in their first year, their foundation wasn't great enough in science to maintain a 5.0. Obviously, this is ridiculous. Students who can't manage to maintain a 5.0 in science will struggle come med.
I managed a 4.8 in science and am coping just fine with med ;)
 

Cide

Regular Member
I managed a 4.8 in science and am coping just fine with med ;)
With all due respect Jordan, I meant more that a student that doesn't put in the effort to maintain a 5.0 should not be granted a place in medicine above other students (ie. graduate entry). While this may be an immaturity factor, it isn't really fair to other students. I would also argue that while the content may not be more challenging, it certainly is of a different style and amount. This alone makes medicine a difficult course (as I'm sure you both know).
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Personally I found my BSc more difficult than my MBBS, but that's just me. I'd certainly agree, however, that if a student on provisional entry can't (for whatever reason) maintain what is a pretty average GPA in their first degree, they should not automatically proceed to the medical degree.
 

Jordan

Regular Member
With all due respect Jordan, I meant more that a student that doesn't put in the effort to maintain a 5.0 should not be granted a place in medicine above other students (ie. graduate entry). While this may be an immaturity factor, it isn't really fair to other students. I would also argue that while the content may not be more challenging, it certainly is of a different style and amount. This alone makes medicine a difficult course (as I'm sure you both know).
Ah yes, I completely agree that they shouldn't get guaranteed entry to med if they can't maintain a clearly advised standard. I was merely stating that people who don't perform particularly well in science (or any other degree for that matter) don't necessarily make poor medical students. Performance in another degree (or high school) is generally a somewhat poor predictor of performance in medicine.
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Performance in another degree (or high school) is generally a somewhat poor predictor of performance in medicine.
In the context of graduate entry medicine, this is not actually true - GPA has been found to be the most reliable predictor of med school performance (compared to GAMSAT and/or interview).
 
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