Just wait until the demographic there mysteriously changes
Like GWS the whole of Victoria is low-SES so Monash uses lower cutoffs for Vic students
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Just wait until the demographic there mysteriously changes
Like GWS the whole of Victoria is low-SES so Monash uses lower cutoffs for Vic students
'Increased diversity and opportunity' ... he he he really?
'its not just the people who get 95th%ile+ or 99.00+ that make excellent doctors".. we know, we know... the general population know this too.
But at end of days, they still only interview from within high achiever/top IB/top ATAR/ best tutored/ group!
Is there really that much demographic diversity there... he he he he
Random Bingo Machine has big thumbs up from me.
Everyone can enter the lottery. Not everyone can get super high ATAR but does not mean they cannot be doctor.Random Bingo would give you 1% chance (~1500 places for school leavers against ~150,000 with an ATAR). As it is once you are eligible to apply you have roughly 1 in 15 chance = 6%.
If schools select on ATAR as suggested you would need 99.50+ to get a place, would you like that? The current methods allow many sub-99.50s, some sub-98s, some even lower but are given EAS points etc, to get in. The schools try to make the cohorts more diversified but there isn't a way to make everyone happy.
I actually can’t comprehend the point you are making here... could you clarify please?Everyone can enter the lottery. Not everyone can get super high ATAR but does not mean they cannot be doctor.
Think of the supermarket.
Right now, is like the Unis shopping in the Asian and Indian food iyel. But there is some good tucker over there in fruit/ vegie and in meats iyel. I like pasta and would prefer some pasta tonight for dinner or for hospital food. If we keep eating just Asian and Indian food, we cant satisfy out taste bud. All food is good. We should not throw out good food.
Confucius say 'By nature, men are nearly alike; it is by custom and habit that they are set apart.'
Everyone can enter the lottery. Not everyone can get super high ATAR but does not mean they cannot be doctor.
yeah infact a lottery system will get wayy more non suitable applicants into interviews, because at least a high atar/ucat a holistic dedication to the field rather than a oh shit ima enter into this lottery and see if I can get an interview ya feel me?Would anyone propose to open up *all* university places to a lottery system?
If not then why only for medicine, is it because you want to do medicine so you like a way more suitable for you and you don't care about the rest?
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Right now, is like the Unis shopping in the Asian and Indian food iyel.
yeah infact a lottery system will get wayy more non suitable applicants into interviews
I have a feeling this is troll lol. Perhaps, best not to engage in the fruitless discussion?
I don't think any reasonable person would propose a "lottery system" as a genuine means of selection into a career as demanding and important as medicine lol.
I am a doctor. Hypothetically speaking, incorporating a lottery system into selection for school leavers has some credible points. Don't get too swept up in the perceived "importance" of medicine.
Have a look at past interview offers (there is a collated thread which can be accessed by a google search) although these may differ for UCAT vs UMATI am completely new to this forum and while reading the threads I was just wondering about the chances of getting into monash uni as a school leaver. It would be a great help if any of you could suggest me my chances for getting into monash med with a 90% UCAT and 98ish ATAR....
Thanks!
Although what you have written is refreshing and has a lot of truth in it, I think that this forum is for the staunch believers of “we don’t perceived that medicine is important, we know that it is.” And by way, the analogy about the supermarket with the Indian food is making me hungry for curry. But I understand what you are trying to get at.I am a doctor. Hypothetically speaking, incorporating a lottery system into selection for school leavers has some credible points. Don't get too swept up in the perceived "importance" of medicine.
Although what you have written is refreshing and has a lot of truth in it, I think that this forum is for the staunch believers of “we don’t perceived that medicine is important, we know that it is.” And by way, the analogy about the supermarket with the Indian food is making me hungry for curry. But I understand what you are trying to get at.
How so exactly? And when you say incorporatinig a lottery system, has some credible points - are you implying that there is merit to the random selection of applicants, and then banking on med school/ internship/residency to train the applicants over pre-selecting students according to the current system of UCAT/ATAR/Interview?
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So many bl**dy hoops with these unis. Torture by design. With absolutely no evidence this whole circus actually produces 'better' doctors...That's about 80% correct. We suspect with good reasons there's a minimum interview score that below it means auto rejection. For example if we standardise the three components to scale of 0-100, you have two 100s in ATAR & UCAT but your interview is 25, total 225 = 75 weighted average. This would put you well into the top third for a place offer but your interview score disqualifies you (thus UNSW says scores are not averaged to cover these cases).
Do keep in mind there's NOTHING the unis can use now to help select "better" future doctors. The best they can try is to select better students (i.e. less likely to fail or drop out) who have suitable characteristics to become doctors.Torture by design. With absolutely no evidence this whole circus actually produces 'better' doctors...
Does that mean even if I didn't get a 99+ ATAR but my UCAT score can make up for it, I can get an interview? So my ATAR was around 98 but I managed to get a UCAT of 98th percentile (3210). Thanks in advanceSo can I check if I've understood this correctly please? For UNSW, to get an interview, ATAR:UCAT are given 50:50 weighting to get a new 'rank'. Then interviews are offered based on this rank?
Then after interviews, it goes ATAR:UCAT:interview score, equal thirds weighting to each component, to generate a new rank again with which they make Med offers? Have I understood it all correctly?
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