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Griffith's Graduate Diploma of Dentistry - CSP or Full-Fees?

dsmalik

New Member
Hi,

There is probably 90 places as opposed to 140 this year probably due to the university's quota which I presume is deduced by the government.

Kind Regards,

DSM
 

Limobean

Regular Member
We actually have no idea why the School accepted 140 students, i don't think the school can accommodate that many students in the sim labs and clinics.. 90 students sound much better! Just a note if you guys are International students the cut-offs are lower than domestic students.
Ok but how many domestic places were available in previous years aka the years that didnt accept 140...or has it always been around that many?
 

Time

New Member
Ok but how many domestic places were available in previous years aka the years that didnt accept 140...or has it always been around that many?
Both the 4th and 5th years above me have the similar number of domestic students. Just the 2014 intake had the increased number of students..
 

HotIce

New Member
I'm speculating the cut off will return to 6.75 then. I really hope it doesn't for your sake [MENTION=18736]Limobean[/MENTION] though :/
 

dsmalik

New Member
Hi,

Is there a quota for the number of non-standard students that accepted every year for GU? Or are non-standards equally considered?

Regards,

DSM
 

UAV

New Member
Hi,

Is there a quota for the number of non-standard students that accepted every year for GU? Or are non-standards equally considered?

Regards,

DSM
No quota for Non Standards, they are ranked against Standards. The better ranked student is selected.
e.g GPA of 6.5 = Rank 99.
 
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UAV

New Member
Both the 4th and 5th years above me have the similar number of domestic students. Just the 2014 intake had the increased number of students..
It was 40-50CSP places before 2010. Basically they had over 1000 applications for those places, so the School increased the number to close to 100. I have no idea what happened last year but it may be due to the ADA advocating a cap on Dental Students and I think the new government has listened to this. The Uni may have wanted to quickly get some more $ in before the caps were in place (Probably to pay off the new building)

Recently, there was a workforce mal-distribution due to the 3 new schools (Total 8) + 200 foreign Dentists passing the ADA exams to become registered in Australia per annum. Most graduates took on Full Time work in the city and decided not go Rural, hence a lot of graduates (15%) working 2 part Dentist jobs in the city, somewhat saturating the cities whereas rurally there were many jobs. A couple of University's tossed up the idea of setting up a dental school but were blocked in addition to this the government has shifted dentistry to a different list for Workforce shortages, (Edit: I thought the shift has already been implemented but it is still a rumour - "Consolidated Occupation List") meaning it will be a lot harder for foreign dentists to become registered in Australia. The ADA has been asking the previous government to do this since 2011 but they ignored it, however it appears the new government may have done something right for once and listened to the ADA. Which actually bodes well for the future, as if they continue with these changes we should see Full Time jobs (4 months after graduating) increasing from current 83% (Which is 6th in Australia) to pre 2013 levels (90%+), although during this time Dental graduates have still remained the highest earning graduates first year out of University (~$94k in private and $75k in state sector). All Stats are from the Government Released Gradstats which collects data on All University graduates 4 months after graduating (Degree, Employment, Salary)
 
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Limobean

Regular Member
It was 40-50CSP places before 2010. Basically they had over 1000 applications for those places, so the School increased the number to close to 100. I have no idea what happened last year but it may be due to the ADA advocating a cap on Dental Students and I think the new government has listened to this. The Uni may have wanted to quickly get some more $ in before the caps were in place (Probably to pay off the new building)

Recently, there was a workforce mal-distribution due to the 3 new schools (Total 8) + 200 foreign Dentists passing the ADA exams to become registered in Australia per annum. Most graduates took on Full Time work in the city and decided not go Rural, hence a lot of graduates (15%) working 2 part Dentist jobs in the city, somewhat saturating the cities whereas rurally there were many jobs. A couple of University's tossed up the idea of setting up a dental school but were blocked in addition to this the government has shifted dentistry to a different list for Workforce shortages, meaning it will be a lot harder for foreign dentists to become registered in Australia. The ADA has been asking the previous government to do this since 2011 but they ignored it, however it appears the new government may have done something right for once and listened to the ADA. Which actually bodes well for the future, as if they continue with these changes we should see Full Time jobs (4 months after graduating) increasing from current 83% (Which is 6th in Australia) to pre 2013 levels (90%+), although during this time Dental graduates have still remained the highest earning graduates first year out of University (~$94k in private and $75k in state sector). All Stats are from the Government Released Gradstats which collects data on All University graduates 4 months after graduating (Degree, Employment, Salary)
Woo finally some information regarding this. Thank you for your input.
 

HotIce

New Member
It was 40-50CSP places before 2010. Basically they had over 1000 applications for those places, so the School increased the number to close to 100. I have no idea what happened last year but it may be due to the ADA advocating a cap on Dental Students and I think the new government has listened to this. The Uni may have wanted to quickly get some more $ in before the caps were in place (Probably to pay off the new building)

Recently, there was a workforce mal-distribution due to the 3 new schools (Total 8) + 200 foreign Dentists passing the ADA exams to become registered in Australia per annum. Most graduates took on Full Time work in the city and decided not go Rural, hence a lot of graduates (15%) working 2 part Dentist jobs in the city, somewhat saturating the cities whereas rurally there were many jobs. A couple of University's tossed up the idea of setting up a dental school but were blocked in addition to this the government has shifted dentistry to a different list for Workforce shortages, meaning it will be a lot harder for foreign dentists to become registered in Australia. The ADA has been asking the previous government to do this since 2011 but they ignored it, however it appears the new government may have done something right for once and listened to the ADA. Which actually bodes well for the future, as if they continue with these changes we should see Full Time jobs (4 months after graduating) increasing from current 83% (Which is 6th in Australia) to pre 2013 levels (90%+), although during this time Dental graduates have still remained the highest earning graduates first year out of University (~$94k in private and $75k in state sector). All Stats are from the Government Released Gradstats which collects data on All University graduates 4 months after graduating (Degree, Employment, Salary)
Thank you very much for an informative post. I have been closely monitoring the dentistry situation in Australia for the past 3 years and I completely agree with everything you've written above.

I think the ADA is a good advocate for Australian dentist and they're doing their job, unlike the other allied health associations e.g. pharmacy.
 

dsmalik

New Member
Hi,

Thank you for clarifying the situation. I was wondering what is the minimum non-standard cut off in regards to entry in this course given that there are less places and therefore increased competition.

Regards,

DSM
 

Limobean

Regular Member
So has the government officially made a statement about caps on dent school places? Would the cap be the same for each school?
 

UAV

New Member
Hi,

Thank you for clarifying the situation. I was wondering what is the minimum non-standard cut off in regards to entry in this course given that there are less places and therefore increased competition.

Regards,

DSM
For 2012 and 2013 entry IIRC it was close to 6.75. The lowest I heard was ~6.6 :) If your GPA is 6.5+ you definitely have a chance.
 
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UAV

New Member
So has the government officially made a statement about caps on dent school places? Would the cap be the same for each school?
No official statements, but from what I heard they were listening to this last year, one school was rumoured to open in 2014/2015 (This was back in 2012) and it never occurred. A government that is 'focused' on cutting back costs is more likely to be supportive of some sort of cap as they are against in investing a lot of money in students that may be unemployed.

I have heard in June next year the government plans to shift Dentistry to the Consolidated Sponsored Occupation List (From the Skilled Shortage List). This is probably the most important thing, more important than capping the amount of Students (As 300 Dentists become registered through the Skilled Shortage List compared to 50 in the 90's).
 

Limobean

Regular Member
I have heard in June next year the government plans to shift Dentistry to the Consolidated Sponsored Occupation List (From the Skilled Shortage List). This is probably the most important thing, more important than capping the amount of Students (As 200 Dentists become registered through the Skilled Shortage List).
I see, yes. Once dentistry is moved to the Consolidated Sponsored Occupation List, what procedures must they go through to get in? Surely it would be more difficult?
 

UAV

New Member
I see, yes. Once dentistry is moved to the Consolidated Sponsored Occupation List, what procedures must they go through to get in? Surely it would be more difficult?
From a foreign dentist (Not registered in Australia) He claimed it will be more difficult. He also said that it could be completely removed all together as there has been significant pressure on the government, it appears to be a "Get in quick before the changes" type thing.

There is about 600 local students expected to graduate + 200-300 (Equivalent to 2-3 extra schools) foreign dentists gaining registrations per year. The removal of Dentistry from the Skills Shortage List will stop any problems. As I have mentioned before though, the current problem is not "Too Many Dentists" this is incorrect, it is more to do with too many choosing to work in the city and not rurally.
 

Limobean

Regular Member
There is about 600 local students expected to graduate + 200-300 (Equivalent to 2-3 extra schools) foreign dentists gaining registrations per year. The removal of Dentistry from the Skills Shortage List will stop any problems. As I have mentioned before though, the current problem is not "Too Many Dentists" this is incorrect, it is more to do with too many choosing to work in the city and not rurally.
Yeah it seems to be a trend. Maldistribution of dentists with more in the city than rural. That seems to be the case with pharmacists too.
 

UAV

New Member
Yeah it seems to be a trend. Maldistribution of dentists with more in the city than rural. That seems to be the case with pharmacists too.
Yeah, same was occurring / is with Medicine. Hence the Bonded Rural Places (You go rural once you graduate) added with the fact it is very difficult to specialize in medicine compared to 10 years ago. Don't get me wrong, 83% is still a very good level for full time employment straight out of uni. Especially when you look at the poor figures for other degrees, and the pay is good. All my friends that graduated last year found jobs quiet quickly. It's just that it can be a lot better (If you look at past data). It's quite hilarious how the Government's own data supports the removal of Dentistry from the workforce shortage list yet they didn't follow through with it for the current year. I would be surprised if it is not removed completely in the next couple of years. Or before I graduate lol.
 
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