Monash Guarantee

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  1. pha0015

    pha0015 New Member

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    There seems to be a lot of info on rural students getting in but what about low SES students? Does anyone know anything about that?

    1. Does anyone have any info on the no of places reserved for monash guarantee students for med? and the scores that they got? (mso collates only info on normal and rural, if I recall correctly)
    According to the transparency data, out of 203 students, less than 5 people got in with atar between 87.5-90, the same goes for 90-92.5 atar bracket. and less than 5% in the 92.5-95 range. that means that there's a max of 18 students who got in, potentially by seas rather than monash guarantee. the min would be around 6 people.
    5-15% are between 95-97.5, of which max would include 30 students, min being 10 people, including some monash guarantee people, I'd assume.
    Is there any concrete info besides my hazardous guessing here?

    2. Also, if you've applied for monash guarantee but you happen to get a high enough combo of mmi, umat and atar to get in as a normal student (for lack of better word), is it through the monash guarantee or as a normal student (so that it frees up more spots for those who don't meet the original requirements)?

    3. How are the selections made i.e. if you have a high enough umat and atar then the mmi is the final deciding factor and they don't regard umat and atar anymore at that stage, or is it that the combined umat and atar are high enough to pass a threshold to be potentially eligible to get in, and then once mmi has passed, that's added in to see if you pass the threshold as a whole. This sounds confusing so I'll add a dodgy example (e.g. passing threshold to get into med is 80/100. your umat and atar happen to be converted/weighed so that it's 50/67 thus far, so you're qualified for mmi, as max that you could get 33/33 means that you could potentially get 83/100... I don't know what I'm saying.

    4. Is there a lower mmi score for monash guarantee people? I haven't heard of anything but...

    5. also is a 175 umat score equivalent to 88th percentile?

    6. there's only a limited spots reserved for monash guarantee students but every year all spots are filled. does this mean they take people who got below monash guarantee or give it to normal people?

    7. how to know what seas adjusted atar you get?
     
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  2. Icanttypeasd

    Icanttypeasd Monash BMedSci & MD

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    Hey Pha0015, I am not too sure about the Monash Guarantee and how it fits into their selection process. It seems that there is no quota like for rural students but you may have a higher chance of receiving an interview.

    3. ATAT scores and UMAT are used to determine whether you receive an interview but ATAR, UMAT and interview scores determine whether you get into medicine each with a 33% weighting.

    4. Probably not...

    You should be able to contact medicine admissions for those other questions...
     
  3. Yoda

    Yoda Muscle MAn

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    Can someone please explain what is "Monash guarantee"
     
  4. LMG!

    LMG! Moderator Most Helpful Member and Staff Member of the Year 2017-2018

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    Best to get it straight from the horses’s mouth, so to speak:

    The Monash Guarantee
     
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    1234med Regular Member

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    I read somewhere on this website (can't remember where) that Monash Guarantee helps with the interview, not obtaining an offer? That doesn't make sense to me though? Why give people an interview (which they wouldn't otherwise have gotten without Monash Guarantee) if there's no chance of an offer? Waste of university's, interviewers' and interviewees' time?
    This seems different to EAS at other universities.
     
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    The Monash Guarantee

    In particular, “we have reserved some places for Monash guarantee students who would not otherwise have received an offer.” This suggests to me that there is a (small) quota set aside for Monash Guarantee students to fill. MG students who miss out on a regular offer then compete against each other for the reserved MG places.

    At least, that’s how I interpret that.
     
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    1234med Regular Member

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    Thanks a lot, for offers not interviews from the wording?
     
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    Yes, the wording is “offered a place”.
     
  9. Crow

    Crow Moderator Most Active 2018

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    From the Monash website:
    Monash Guarantee ATARs
    The website lists the Monash Guarantee values for Medicine as 94[RC]/175 ATAR/UMAT.

    I actually interpret this as if an applicant meets the ATAR and UMAT MG values, then the place offer will be determined 100% from interview if they otherwise wouldn't have received an interview without the guarantee (i.e. they need an interview performance in the top x% e.g. top 40% of applicants - depending on the interview to place offer ratio). But then, the wording from LMG!'s comment also makes it seem like they could just be considered in their own quota. Seems a bit of a mystery, perhaps A1 or pi can shed some more light.
     
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    “Reserved some places” is the key for me. That’s another way of saying quota.
     
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    1234med Regular Member

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    Yes if it's not a quota, as Crow said, what if someone who had Monash Guarantee would have still gotten an interview without Monash Guarantee? Would it still be 100% on the interview?
     
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    Crow Moderator Most Active 2018

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    Yes, I just wonder why they don't explicitly state which health courses they do this for.

    ETA: The admissions process for a med school not being 100% transparent? No way! ;)
     
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    They explicitly state they DON’T do this for Law or the Scholars high achievers program, so I don’t think they need to explicitly state which health courses as this implies all of them have a MG quota of some size.

    ETA: I wonder why not Law? Seems a bit odd to single out a solitary degree.
     
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    Crow Moderator Most Active 2018

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    They say they don't offer it for the Law Pathway, not Law itself. The Law Pathway is referring to this: Pathways and course transfers
    I think what it's saying there is that you can't use a lower ATAR to get yourself into the Monash Law Pathway (because the pathway is already lowering the ATAR requirement for someone to eventually end up in Law at Monash). There is a Monash Guarantee for Law itself - it's an ATAR of 94.

    Anyhow, that was significantly off-topic on my part! Apologies :D
     
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    Ahhh, that makes sense. And given we are in the Monash Guarantee thread, actually not off topic at all!
     
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