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NSW - Category 2 Applicants

Mr Z

Lurker
Hello,

Just wondering if anybody here was a cat 2 applicant and applied to NSW - if so where did you end up? HETI have confirmed they will not release this information in their upcoming report and I'm mostly seeing whether I could get into the liverpool or bankstown network.

Thank you!
 

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Mana

there are no stupid questions, only people
Administrator
Hello,

Just wondering if anybody here was a cat 2 applicant and applied to NSW - if so where did you end up? HETI have confirmed they will not release this information in their upcoming report and I'm mostly seeing whether I could get into the liverpool or bankstown network.

Thank you!
No category 2 applicants missed out on an offer (or really have ever missed out on an offer unless they withdrew their application) as category 3's do get offers every year.

You'll have a reasonable shot at getting into Liverpool or Bankstown given the (relative lack of) demand to do internship at these places in the Category 1 cohort.

That said, my advice above is from observations of small numbers of people and not based on any HETI publications (which, like this coming year, do not show the proportions of Category 1/2/3/etc final place offers at each network.)
 

swim94

Lurker
Mana I am a category 2 applicant hoping for the Hornsby network, in order to maximise my chances should i stack my remaining preferences as you've outlined in another post, or does this stacking only benefit category 1 applicants? I'm aware that there is a fair bit of uncertainty with the Hornsby network with the opening of the new hospital
 

Mana

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Mana I am a category 2 applicant hoping for the Hornsby network, in order to maximise my chances should i stack my remaining preferences as you've outlined in another post, or does this stacking only benefit category 1 applicants? I'm aware that there is a fair bit of uncertainty with the Hornsby network with the opening of the new hospital
As a Cat 2 - just preference in the order you actually want - the system has very few places proportionally after the Cat 1s all get a bite.
 

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kello

Member
Followed Mana advise and got Westmead as Cat 2. I put Westmead as preference 1.

Another classmate put Westmead as preference 2 and got it.

Not sure if that helps anything...
 

sovietcop

Member
As someone who has just gone through this process, if I could do it again I would just put what I wanted

Put Blacktown/Nepean —> guaranteed spot in Sydney
But this year Cat 2’s got Westmead, Concord and even St George
 

mememe

Lurker
Agree with sovietcop;
Blacktown and Nepean seem to be the only places you were guaranteed a job as a cat 2 as even cat 3 and 4's have gotten offers there.
I put Liverpool first, Westmead second and ended up getting an optimised spot at Concord (that I know 2 other people got and rejected).
Unless you're absolutely desperate to get to NSW, I suggest trying and hedging your bets with optimised/DRA as long as you are genuinely happy with your top few preferences.
Also be prepared to wait... it's mainly only blacktown and nepean spots that get released initially
 

Mrpopquiz

Member
There are more med schools/graduates in NSW but there are more intern positions. From memory after allocating internships to Aus in-state graduates there are about 100 "surplus" positions in NSW, about 60 in QLD.

Int'l graduates are more disadvantaged in NSW since they are given lower priority (for these surplus positions) than Aus graduates studying med interstate now wanting to return/move to NSW. Whereas in QLD int'l graduates are pooled together with these and selected on merit.

That said, I think you would be better off studying at WSU. It's a year shorter and your chance for a QLD internship is the same as if you study in QLD.
Hmm, when you say lower priority do you mean that even if an interstate graduate outperform an NSW graduate based on merit, the internship position will be give to the NSW graduate simply based on the fact that they graduated from a NSW med school?
 

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A1

Admissions Speculator
Moderator
Hmm, when you say lower priority do you mean that even if an interstate graduate outperform an NSW graduate based on merit, the internship position will be give to the NSW graduate simply based on the fact that they graduated from a NSW med school?
Each state gov has signed the COAG agreement to provide internships for all CSP graduates in the state. IOW they have no such obligation to grads from med schools in other states. These grads can only apply for any surplus spots not filled by NSW grads.

Among these the NSW gov does give higher priority to interstate grads returning home i.e. did Y12 in NSW then went interstate for med.
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Among these the NSW gov does give higher priority to interstate grads returning home i.e. did Y12 in NSW then went interstate for med.
Bearing in mind that state priority lists are only current and relevant to the present graduating year (there is no guarantee or obligation that they offer the same priorities in following years). They frequently change, so caveat emptor.
 

Mrpopquiz

Member
Each state gov has signed the COAG agreement to provide internships for all CSP graduates in the state. IOW they have no such obligation to grads from med schools in other states. These grads can only apply for any surplus spots not filled by NSW grads.

Among these the NSW gov does give higher priority to interstate grads returning home i.e. did Y12 in NSW then went interstate for med.
Is there any site where I can find statistics about success of interstate applicant to NSW internship? And are NSW grad still given priority when applying for residency or registrarship? Does this means that it would be very hard for an interstate to train in a popular or competitive speciality in NSW? Sorry for so many questions, I just found out about this. Im shook
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Is there any site where I can find statistics about success of interstate applicant to NSW internship? And are NSW grad still given priority when applying for residency or registrarship? Does this means that it would be very hard for an interstate to train in a popular or competitive speciality in NSW? Sorry for so many questions, I just found out about this. Im shook
NSW graduates are currently offered two-year contracts, so their first year of residency is guaranteed (and conversely, there is little need to recruit outsiders into PGY2 positions). Beyond PGY2, job applications are made formally and offered down lines of a kind of subjective meritocracy - in that theoretically, the best person should be offered the job, but it definitely helps to be well-known and well-regarded (so where you work and who you know counts).

Not really sure what you are "shook" about?
 

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Mrpopquiz

Member
NSW graduates are currently offered two-year contracts, so their first year of residency is guaranteed (and conversely, there is little need to recruit outsiders into PGY2 positions). Beyond PGY2, job applications are made formally and offered down lines of a kind of subjective meritocracy - in that theoretically, the best person should be offered the job, but it definitely helps to be well-known and well-regarded (so where you work and who you know counts).

Not really sure what you are "shook" about?
Its that I just learned about this now. And I would prefer to work in NSW in the future for family reasons, but I really like UQ medical program and its probably my best chance for med school. If I do end up studying at UQ how would I eventually practice medicine in NSW (preferable in Sydney) as a category 3.

And would this limit the type of speciality I can eventually go into?
 

chinaski

Regular Member
Its that I just learned about this now. And I would prefer to work in NSW in the future for family reasons, but I really like UQ medical program and its probably my best chance for med school. If I do end up studying at UQ how would I eventually practice medicine in NSW (preferable in Sydney) as a category 3.
Bear in mind that "practicing medicine" in the long term first takes training, which takes years to achieve. As such, it's not as though you are married forever to one locality.

And would this limit the type of speciality I can eventually go into?
Your medical school does not have any influence or effect on what kind of specialty you eventually pursue. I suggest you read a bit about medicine as a career, as this kind of thing you really should know already. Look beyond the university stage.
 

Mrpopquiz

Member
Your medical school does not have any influence or effect on what kind of specialty you eventually pursue. I suggest you read a bit about medicine as a career, as this kind of thing you really should know already. Look beyond the university stage.
I understand, but I wasn't referring to whether my med school limit the type of speciality. I was referring to if my status as category 3 would limit specialty I eventually pursue in NSW.
 

A1

Admissions Speculator
Moderator
Is there any site where I can find statistics about success of interstate applicant to NSW internship?
Closest stats we have for this is around 980 internships a year (from HETI) vs 880 domestic NSW graduates (from Med Deans data). Assuming most NSW grads take up their allocations it leaves around 100 spots for categories 2/3/4. I believe cat 3s will find it very hard to get a spot in a desirable location.
 

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chinaski

Regular Member
I understand, but I wasn't referring to whether my med school limit the type of speciality. I was referring to if my status as category 3 would limit specialty I eventually pursue in NSW.
Again: read up about medicine as a career. Internship allocations have absolutely nothing to do with specialisation pathways.
 

Mrpopquiz

Member
Closest stats we have for this is around 980 internships a year (from HETI) vs 880 domestic NSW graduates (from Med Deans data). Assuming most NSW grads take up their allocations it leaves around 100 spots for categories 2/3/4. I believe cat 3s will find it very hard to get a spot in a desirable location.
huh, so as a cat 3 what's the most probable time I can move to NSW? After residency?
 

Mrpopquiz

Member
PGY2+, which may or may not mark the end of "residency", depending on your career pathway and trajectory.
Thanks chinaski! But just to clarify, if we are using terms like Junior Medical Officer and Senior Medical Officer, I would most likely spend my time as a JMO at where I did my med school. And only be able to move to NSW as a SMO?
 

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