Pathways for an international student for living and working in Australia as a doctor.

A1

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I know getting an internship will be difficult and getting into a training college program afterwards is impossible unless you are a citizen or if you have PR. (Except some few programs). That means I would have to apply for a visa as an RMO (assuming I get an internship and successfully complete it). But RMO is currently limited to certain visas and i don't fully understand their requirements.

I have researched data of the last 4-5 years, there have been internships offered to 350-400 a year out of 500-550 int'l graduates. If you can manage try to get a Med offer in Victoria or WA since these states rank int'l graduates from their med schools higher than Aus graduates from schools in other states, to give you a little better chance.

As for PR/visa after internship, I haven't looked into the process but I don't think it's a problem. We have not heard of any junior doctors being forced to leave Australia due to visa issues. Good luck with your studies.
 
I have researched data of the last 4-5 years, there have been internships offered to 350-400 a year out of 500-550 int'l graduates. If you can manage try to get a Med offer in Victoria or WA since these states rank int'l graduates from their med schools higher than Aus graduates from schools in other states, to give you a little better chance.

As for PR/visa after internship, I haven't looked into the process but I don't think it's a problem. We have not heard of any junior doctors being forced to leave Australia due to visa issues. Good luck with your studies.

Thanks a lot for your reply really. I am going to start my studies at Flinders University for their undergrad med program. I have decided to not worry as much about the visa and PR matter and just take it slowly. For now, I will give my best to my studies.
 
Can someone please help me with international student potential to work as doctor after successfully completing their 1 year of hospital internship. I have read on one medical school admission for intl students
" International students who graduate from Australian Medical Schools are subject to an Australian Government-imposed 10-year moratorium. The 10 Year Moratorium applies to any international graduate (i.e. those trained domestically) for a period of ten years from the date of their first medical registration in Australia. Any person under the 10 Year Moratorium cannot apply for a Medicare provider number. "
can someone explain this further? what would happen if you can't find work in a workforce shortage area? any current intl student about to graduate who has researched about this topic and possibility of future employment when you are not eligible for medicare billing? thanks
 

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what would happen if you can't find work in a workforce shortage area?

I believe you can continue working in a hospital job with a salary so a Medicare provider number is not needed?

If you train to become GP I don't know if your service can be charged under the supervising GP's Medicare provider number. If that is possible then once you get your GP registration you can run your own practice in a workforce shortage area.
 

chinaski

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I believe you can continue working in a hospital job with a salary so a Medicare provider number is not needed?

Provider numbers are required to refer patients to other doctors and for tests including imaging. They are also used in hospitals for billing of services provided by specialists.

If you train to become GP I don't know if your service can be charged under the supervising GP's Medicare provider number. If that is possible then once you get your GP registration you can run your own practice in a workforce shortage area.

No, a provider number is the property and sole responsibility of the doctor to which it is assigned. It can't be used to bill for services rendered by other people.
 

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Provider numbers are required to refer patients to other doctors and for tests including imaging. They are also used in hospitals for billing of services provided by specialists.

So do they need a provide number for the JMO years and the vocational training years in a non-shortage area? If not then that may take them past the 10-year moratorium.
 

chinaski

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I don't know what happens for JMOs WRT provider numbers when they are not eligible to hold one. My guess is that they are simply not permitted to make any referrals. You also don't seem to understand that a provider number is specific to the place that you work. You don't get a single provider number that you carry with you - you have to get a new one assigned for every site in which you work.
 
Thank you both for info. So it means as an international med student after paying exorbitant fees and then successfully securing internship and continue JMO's year you are not provided with medicare number. So technically if you don't have medicare provider number you can't use medicare billing and need to do private billing plus any subsequent referral to specialist or testing would be private for patients? this puts you in a very unfavourable position to find employment and also specialty training post med school.
I am curious what most int graduates do then? i believe most return to their home countries but at least 20-40% remain in Aus. Do they have to try to gain PR and then become eligible for new AHPRA and Medicare registration? or 10 year moratorium would still remain because they did study as intl.

other allied health profession studied by intl students are able to register with AHPRA and Medicare e.g. physio. why medicine is exception!
 

chinaski

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AHPRA is just a registration and regulation body - it doesn't give you privileges. The ability to bill to Medicare is largely a medical issue - so comparing this to allied health isn't really that relevant. Essentially you have to reconcile the idea that you are investing in a degree with those "exorbitant fees" if you come to Australia as a medical student - that money is not paid to return a guaranteed or easy pathway to a career (you're paying fees to the universities, who have no influence in the matter). No country makes it easy for foreigners to compete against locals, or to settle and work - Australia is no different in that regard.
 
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katsicum

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I hope these numbers help explain why it's rather absolute.

First have a look at the second half of this link > National Internship Crisis | Australian Medical Students’ Association
internships in Aus are allocated more or less in this order of priority:

1) Aus (citizen/PR) grads in the state
2) Aus grads of interstate med schools
3) Int'l grads in the state
4) Int'l grads of interstate med schools
5) Grads of overseas med schools
(in Vic & WA (2) and (3) are swapped around but that's irrelevant here).

Recent years there have been around 3450 internships per year; which go to 2950 CSP/BMP grads + 200 Aus full-fee grads first, leaving ~300 spots for the 500 int'l grads to compete for. There's nothing left afterwards for priority (5).
Off topic question: If an international student misses out on the intership the year they graduate in, are they still eligible for internship for next year? Thanks!
 

Raazberry

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Hi there, I am an australian citizen and finished year 12 in australia back in 2011, then i took a gap year and then went overseas and studied medicine, and have completed my MBBS degree. I recently passed the AMC MCQ CAT exam and am currently awaiting for a date for the Clinical assessment. I have found it very hard to find information on the process for an IMG who is an Australian citizen and am hoping if there is anyone who can guide me further. Thank you in advanced

Also, i have done a 1 year rotatory internship which was a part of my MBBS degree.
 
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I recently passed the AMC MCQ CAT exam and am currently awaiting for a date for the Clinical assessment. I have found it very hard to find information on the process for an IMG who is an Australian citizen
Adding to Chinaski's reply, first have a good read of this report to see the application process for an Aus internship
> http://www.coaghealthcouncil.gov.au...Management Process for 2017 Clinical Year.pdf

I understand your next step after AMC Clinical Assessment is to get an internship. Apply to every state, but due to the priority system (IMGs despite being Aus citizen are bottom priority unfortunately) I think your best chance is Qld where, after priority 1 for Qld graduates, the rest are selected on merit. Or apply for a NSW network that few others want to go to.
 
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