Pre-UCAT 2019 Discussion

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  1. Goldilocks

    Goldilocks New Member

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    Okay! Thank you. Does this mean the four sections are converted into a percentile (similar to UMAT)?
     
  2. A1

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    I don't know whether UCAT will give you a percentile, but with UMAT the percentile didn't serve any real purpose other than for convenient reference. All the med schools used the numerical scores for determination.
     
  3. Ian Naga

    Ian Naga BS / MD (Griffith)

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    Adding to this, see here UK school requirements. It is different for different schools. I presume it will be similar here in Australia.
    https://www.kaptest.co.uk/sites/kap...T is used by Consortium Universities 2019.pdf

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    For example, U of Birmingham states:
    Use of UKCAT data:There is no minimum UKCAT cut-off score. Your UKCAT results, excluding the band result for the Situational Judgment Test (SJT) component, will be separated into deciles and scored. For example the top 10% of applicants’ scores will be in the top decile and will receive a maximum score of 4.0 in our process.

    For guidance, the score conversion we used in 2017-18 is as follows (converted to a 0 –4 scale):

    UKCAT
    Total UKCAT score Decile Converted score
    2950 and above 10th 4.000
    2860 " 9th 3.556
    2790 " 8th 3.111
    2730 " 7th 2.667
    2680 " 6th 2.222
    2630 " 5th 1.778
    2580 " 4th 1.333
    2510 " 3rd 0.889
    2400 " 2nd 0.444
    2390 and below 1st 0.000

    It is important to note that the thresholds for each decile will be different for a new set of applicants. Therefore, the UKCATscore applied to your application may differ from the above table but the difference is expected to be marginal. Your UKCAT score is unlikely to move by more than one decile.
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  4. Goldilocks

    Goldilocks New Member

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    Thanks! Ian Naga

    What would a competitive score be? 2860 and above, or 2950 and above?
     
  5. Dhanda

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    Just wondering if I could get some ATAR numbers UCAT scores for the cut-off for med. I want to get some sorta of idea.
     
  6. Logic

    Logic Medical Student Silliest Member 2018

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    There will be no information on UCAT scores as this is the first year the exam is taking place.

    Here is the information from last year of scores for an offer using ATAR and UMAT (the previous exam for entry in to medicine which has been replaced with UCAT): Aus Med and Dent Place Offers 2019 - Collated Data
     
  7. Dhanda

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    Ok what about an ATAR cut-off for Curtin WA, a ballpark guess estimate something. Need some numbers to quantify because UWA is 99 ATAR and seems very intimidating.
     
  8. Mana

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    Judging by the collated data, which is included in the post that Logic has just linked to, the ballpark estimate is also 99 ATAR, which I am sure is equally intimidating.
     
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  9. Ian Naga

    Ian Naga BS / MD (Griffith)

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    This will depend on how UCAT is going to be used by the Unis and will vary from Uni to Uni. This was true with UMAT and will be true with UCAT. Unfortunately, being a new test in Australia, this cohort will be used as the guinea pig by Australian Universities to figure out how they will use UCAT. You can email the Universities individually but I doubt if they know it as well. By this time next year we would know but it would be too late for this cohort. Have a look at how it is used in the UK by different Unis. It can give you an indication of how it may be used here. Sorry, that is the best answer I can give.

    Looking at the above link, for St George's University of London, they require:

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    Section score ==> 500 or above, in each section (This look similar to the UMAT requirments for a few Unis in Australia e.g JMP)

    Historic Overall UKCAT scores
    For reference purposes only, we have detailed the overall scores we have required in previous years

    Entry year Overall Score
    2013 2530
    2014 2590
    2015 2550
    2016 2600
    2017 1890 (The UKCAT test used one less section for 2017 entry)
    2018 2590
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    HTH
     
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  10. Dhanda

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    Hmm, small sample size but one of my friend's friend got in with a 97 ATAR, which I thought was quite relieving, it may just be because it was Curtin's first year with the medical course. Still ideally a 99 ATAR. Kinda realised when I posted this that my head was in the wrong place if I'm just trying to reach minimum benchmarks. Anyway thanks for your help. :) Sorry messed up last post aha, mod please delete.
     
  11. Logic

    Logic Medical Student Silliest Member 2018

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    Yep, in the first intake cohort (who would be first year in 2017), the marks required were lower than recent times. I think there was a 96er who got in too in the second intake (first year in 2018). For the third year intake (which was first year in 2019), a lot of similar marks to those who got interviews in previous years didn't receive interviews at all. So I think it's likely that a lower ATAR would have got in the first two years but that's slowly becoming less likely based on the data on here. Wishing you the best :)
     
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    Ahhh, so the reduced ATAR was only for the first few years. Thanks for letting me know.
     
  13. Blackjoe

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    JMP just updated their selection process to include UCAT. It looks like they will use an aggregate of all sections except the SJT. There is no minimum cutoff but considering what is required to enter other medical schools I would guess that you would need to score in the 90th percentile to be competitive. This could change if they weight each section differently.

    Funnily enough the university in the uk that most closely matches the jmp in how they use ucat is Newcastle university. Previous experience suggest that you only just start being competitive once you pass the 85 percentile.
     
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    This might be a silly question, but how do we calculate a percentile? Do we get given one at some point? I'm assuming it can't be with the initial results.
     
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    I assume Pearson Vue will provide all test sitters with the percentile curves for each section once all sittings of the tests are complete.
     
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    Thats pretty interesting that JMP is ignoring the SJT section entirely, almost as if they ignore the S2 UMAT score. Perhaps because they want to keep this assessment of a person's SJT skills to the interview? Also interesting that theres no longer a minimum threshold for each section, unlike previous years. I wonder if Western Sydney might also score it in the same way by ignoring SJT. There hasn't been any information on WSU's scoring has there?
     
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    Using UKCAT 2015/2017 as a rough guide: 80th%ile= 2750, 90th%ile= 2860
    > https://www.ucat.ac.uk/media/1198/2017-ukcat-test-statistics-oct-2017.pdf

    Interestingly, looking back at Ian Naga's post above St George's University of London has only required 2600 = 60th%ile. It must be the least significant part of their selection process.
     
  18. lottodo

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    I tried to see this information on JMP website, but I couldn't. Can you please link the relevant page. Thanks
     
  19. A1

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    I will add to this post as more info is published on how UCAT score will be considered. For now:

    JMP
    UNSW
    Flinders
    Adelaide
    The 2020 Guide is out but no specific mention on UCAT score. Likely to be simply the overall score as was for UMAT.
    > https://health.adelaide.edu.au/sites/default/files/docs/2020-mbbs-admissions-guide-domestic_0.pdf

    UQ
    Monash
    Typically very slow with everything, website still shows you need UMAT :p
    > Admissions requirements - Domestic
     
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  20. lottodo

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    Thank you A1. The information about UCAT is really helpful.
     

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