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Radiography

Fjj

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Hi everyone!!
I was wondering are any of you Master of Diagnostic Radiography USYD students? Or do you know anyone who is?
Because I'm curious to know if the placements differ from undergraduate?
As qUiCkMaThS (i hope i spelt that right!) said above they have to do 3 rural placements but I'm curious to know if it's the same case with master's?
Also is a rural placement 100% compulsory?
Any answer would be helpful :) thanks
 

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Because I'm curious to know if the placements differ from undergraduate?
Hey Fjj!
I'm not fully qualified to answer this question as I am not studying radiography but I have done some research on the course
One of my friends is related to someone who did the masters at USYD and she said this:
The placements for the undergraduate degree is 6 weeks at a time while it's 9 weeks at a time for the masters
She said she would recommend the undergrad course over the masters and would have done the undergrad if she knew about it earlier - but she really enjoys the course!

I believe for placements, you put preferences - for example in one case she was choosing an interstate position (not sure if this was forced or if she did it of free will) until COVID happened of course
I also believe that rural placement is not compulsory, but each student places their placement preferences and many would likely rather stay in a metro area rather than go rural. Thus, I would assume that you'd have at least one rural/regional placement if not more because of the amount of students there are compared to the amount of positions available in each area.

I would suggest doing a facebook search for 'usyd rants radiography'. It's what I did to put into perspective whether I wanted to do the degree or not - keep in mind those rants are students who are angry enough at the course to voice their opinions and doesn't represent the whole radiography cohort at USyd.

Hope this helps in any way :)
would be nice to get more insight from others too!
 

Fjj

Lurker
Hey Fjj!
I'm not fully qualified to answer this question as I am not studying radiography but I have done some research on the course
One of my friends is related to someone who did the masters at USYD and she said this:
The placements for the undergraduate degree is 6 weeks at a time while it's 9 weeks at a time for the masters
She said she would recommend the undergrad course over the masters and would have done the undergrad if she knew about it earlier - but she really enjoys the course!

I believe for placements, you put preferences - for example in one case she was choosing an interstate position (not sure if this was forced or if she did it of free will) until COVID happened of course
I also believe that rural placement is not compulsory, but each student places their placement preferences and many would likely rather stay in a metro area rather than go rural. Thus, I would assume that you'd have at least one rural/regional placement if not more because of the amount of students there are compared to the amount of positions available in each area.

I would suggest doing a facebook search for 'usyd rants radiography'. It's what I did to put into perspective whether I wanted to do the degree or not - keep in mind those rants are students who are angry enough at the course to voice their opinions and doesn't represent the whole radiography cohort at USyd.

Hope this helps in any way :)
would be nice to get more insight from others too!
Thankss Mazzzzzzie your response gave me additional info I didn't know!
It's a bit annoying how these things are not clear through the uni so you end up being confused about whether you want to apply or not :(
If you find any facebook links related to this specific topic please feel free to post it here.
If anyone has anymore info please let us know!
 
Hi everyone!!
I was wondering are any of you Master of Diagnostic Radiography USYD students? Or do you know anyone who is?
Because I'm curious to know if the placements differ from undergraduate?
As qUiCkMaThS (i hope i spelt that right!) said above they have to do 3 rural placements but I'm curious to know if it's the same case with master's?
Also is a rural placement 100% compulsory?
Any answer would be helpful :) thanks
Hey Fjj,

Yeah, I actually don't know much about the masters course, other than what is provided in the handbook. What I can add onto Mazzzzzzie's answer is that in the postgrad course you only get to undertake 3 placements, whereas in the undergrad course there are around 7 placements. Thus, as Mazzzzzzie said, they may allow you to preference where you do your placement and may not enforce a rural placement requirement. Furthermore, I would suggest that you have a look at the fees as well (idk whether csp spots are provided) because for 1 year it is around 35 grand --> 2 years would result in a 70 grand hecs debt. Whereas, with the undergrad it is 40 grand for the whole course, but it does take 4 years to complete. I am not 100% sure about the fee structure, so before you make any decisions just contact usyd to confirm. But other than that, I don't really know much about the masters course - sorry about that. What other courses are thinking about applying to, alongside radiography?
 

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Fjj

Lurker
Thankss Mazzzzzzie your response gave me additional info I didn't know!
It's a bit annoying how these things are not clear through the uni so you end up being confused about whether you want to apply or not :(
If you find any facebook links related to this specific topic please feel free to post it here.
If anyone has anymore info please let us know!
One mo
Hey Fjj,

Yeah, I actually don't know much about the masters course, other than what is provided in the handbook. What I can add onto Mazzzzzzie's answer is that in the postgrad course you only get to undertake 3 placements, whereas in the undergrad course there are around 7 placements. Thus, as Mazzzzzzie said, they may allow you to preference where you do your placement and may not enforce a rural placement requirement. Furthermore, I would suggest that you have a look at the fees as well (idk whether csp spots are provided) because for 1 year it is around 35 grand --> 2 years would result in a 70 grand hecs debt. Whereas, with the undergrad it is 40 grand for the whole course, but it does take 4 years to complete. I am not 100% sure about the fee structure, so before you make any decisions just contact usyd to confirm. But other than that, I don't really know much about the masters course - sorry about that. What other courses are thinking about applying to, alongside radiography?
Hii yes for the fees it is approx how much you said and there are very limited spots for csp. However I have already studied a bachelor's degree and had an extra year break so I think the undergrad degree might be a bit too long of a duration for me. That's why I am interested more in the master's. Tbh I had my hopes high on radiography or the field. My other option might be cardiac sonography at WSU as I've heard it's good?
 
It's a bit annoying how these things are not clear through the uni so you end up being confused about whether you want to apply or not :(
If you find any facebook links related to this specific topic please feel free to post it here.
Yes I agree!! So ambiguous at times and it takes a lot of digging to really get to good information that is up to date
Here are some links:

Take these with a grain of salt. If radiography is something you want to do, you will know because the positives will outweigh the negatives :)

That's why I am interested more in the master's. Tbh I had my hopes high on radiography or the field. My other option might be cardiac sonography at WSU as I've heard it's good?
I see, I mean for the sake of time the masters would probably be the better option.

I'm assuming you haven't come from a medical imaging background so I can tell you this much (from my research - again haven't experienced this first hand but have dug into every forum known to man and asked people I know in the field)
- Sonography is in really high demand but the amount of traineeship spots are SOOO limited (seems a bit backwards, it's more of a cycle of 'we need more sonographers' but ' training someone into sonography is too expensive in terms of $ and time')
- I've heard that about a third of sonographers don't come from a medical imaging background (e.g. nurses) and took up training positions at their place of work in order to complete the clinical placement hours required by the degree (graduate diploma).
- I know someone who was a pharmacist before she did sonography. She did the undergrad at CQU and said it was good - but that was back in the day. Nowadays, the majority of reviews are veryyy negative and the uni is finding it hard to find student placements as well
- Can't say whether the wsu degree is good or not but I like my uni. If you were also considering general sonography, there are diploma courses at Canberra and Uni of South Australia - both are completely online. Canberra do offer some introductory training at the start of the diploma if you're having trouble finding placement (not compulsory)
- With the online graduate diplomas, you are expected to find your own clinical placement which is the hard part. Hence many people do radiography to get into the medical imaging field and then take up any sonography training position their employer may offer. Employers prefer to train someone already working with them as they know their investment of time/money will be a good one
- There are some intensive courses (search ASMI in sydney, integrated ultrasound education in perth) out there that could help you get your foot in the door and hopefully land the traineeship that you are expected to find by yourself - these are superrr expensive (upwards of $35000) but it's a good investment in the long run if sonography is where you want to be especially since you'll likely start getting paid as a sonographer earlier
- AIHE do a graduate diploma aswell (based St Leonard's Sydney) and they have their own training facilities onsite before they put you into a clinical placement. I have heard that many dislike the course though and the placement they 'guarantee' isn't really guaranteed
- Cardiac sonography I believe pays more than general sonography and is more specialised but other than that I don't know too much

I know I just blurted out a heap of information that isn't specific to cardiac sonography but I hope it helps :) I know it took me weeks to find all this information so hopefully this is a fair summary of what information there is out there to help others looking into sonography :)
 

Fjj

Lurker
Yes I agree!! So ambiguous at times and it takes a lot of digging to really get to good information that is up to date
Here are some links:

Take these with a grain of salt. If radiography is something you want to do, you will know because the positives will outweigh the negatives :)



I see, I mean for the sake of time the masters would probably be the better option.

I'm assuming you haven't come from a medical imaging background so I can tell you this much (from my research - again haven't experienced this first hand but have dug into every forum known to man and asked people I know in the field)
- Sonography is in really high demand but the amount of traineeship spots are SOOO limited (seems a bit backwards, it's more of a cycle of 'we need more sonographers' but ' training someone into sonography is too expensive in terms of $ and time')
- I've heard that about a third of sonographers don't come from a medical imaging background (e.g. nurses) and took up training positions at their place of work in order to complete the clinical placement hours required by the degree (graduate diploma).
- I know someone who was a pharmacist before she did sonography. She did the undergrad at CQU and said it was good - but that was back in the day. Nowadays, the majority of reviews are veryyy negative and the uni is finding it hard to find student placements as well
- Can't say whether the wsu degree is good or not but I like my uni. If you were also considering general sonography, there are diploma courses at Canberra and Uni of South Australia - both are completely online. Canberra do offer some introductory training at the start of the diploma if you're having trouble finding placement (not compulsory)
- With the online graduate diplomas, you are expected to find your own clinical placement which is the hard part. Hence many people do radiography to get into the medical imaging field and then take up any sonography training position their employer may offer. Employers prefer to train someone already working with them as they know their investment of time/money will be a good one
- There are some intensive courses (search ASMI in sydney, integrated ultrasound education in perth) out there that could help you get your foot in the door and hopefully land the traineeship that you are expected to find by yourself - these are superrr expensive (upwards of $35000) but it's a good investment in the long run if sonography is where you want to be especially since you'll likely start getting paid as a sonographer earlier
- AIHE do a graduate diploma aswell (based St Leonard's Sydney) and they have their own training facilities onsite before they put you into a clinical placement. I have heard that many dislike the course though and the placement they 'guarantee' isn't really guaranteed
- Cardiac sonography I believe pays more than general sonography and is more specialised but other than that I don't know too much

I know I just blurted out a heap of information that isn't specific to cardiac sonography but I hope it helps :) I know it took me weeks to find all this information so hopefully this is a fair summary of what information there is out there to help others looking into sonography :)
Yes you're right. I came from a biomedical science background so really idk how good or bad radiography is. But when I compare to other fields like pharmacy I definitely find my interest lies here.

With cardiac sonography at WSU, you need to find your own placement for 3 days a week. So that is where the difficulty lies/ it is specific so once you do it you don't have a choice to specialise in anything else.
Also comparing to the facebook rants (highly negative), I would personally like to ask someone but I do not know anyone who is a radiographer/ cardiac sonographer. So I'm struggling to understand the reality of the jobs. I do not believe it's just pressing buttons all day but I also don't know anyone who can tell me otherwise.

I don't think volunteering is an option with clinics, hospitals, etc. That's definitely why I'm trying to get as much info as possible and what you are telling has given me a lot of insight!
 

jdog

Member
Hi Mazzzzzzie,
I am a current radiography student at USYD and it is a really good course! There's quite a lot of physics in the first year, but a decent amount of bio (anatomy + physiology; also the labs are so good!!) as well as a little bit of psychology stuff. It is definitely a great alternative to med, as there is a mix of stuff eg. patient care, anatomy, physics etc. A lot of students in radio at usyd do want to become doctors, so there is a bit of competition in the first year, but I've heard that it subsides later on.

Option 1 and 3 look pretty good (idk how CQU is tho) but there is a guide which describes why medsci and biomed are not the best options: Common Pitfalls to Avoid. However, it is ultimately your choice.

I would also suggest looking at the course at UoN called: Bachelor of Nuclear Medicine or something like that. It is also extremely interesting, has a lower ATAR cut off and is also a good alternative if you are keen for that sort of field. I was interested in doing that, but just not keen on moving to newy :p

PM me if you have any other questions 😄
Hi, I'm looking at medical imaging at USYD as a backup to med, and either going for post-grad med or sonography. Was it a lot of trouble for the students there who wanted to go for postgrad med? Like was there additional workload other than having to do study bio and chem for GAMSAT? Thanks!
 

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Hi, I'm looking at medical imaging at USYD as a backup to med, and either going for post-grad med or sonography. Was it a lot of trouble for the students there who wanted to go for postgrad med? Like was there additional workload other than having to do study bio and chem for GAMSAT? Thanks!
Hey jdog,

As I am currently a first year, I don't know much about the workload situation and due to covid, there has been limited interaction with the other cohorts, so I haven't been able to find out much. However, we do complete bio and chem units in first year, which I believe should be sufficient for gamsat, so I reckon it wouldn't be too bad + we do heaps of physics so that should definitely help. Additionally, I am not sure about how hard the placements get (like are they long hours or short...) and since quite a lot of the placements occur in the 3rd and 4th years, alongside an honours program (if you get, I think, distinction average), so I cannot really comment on whether it would be difficult to juggle uni, placements and prepping for postgrad med. Hopefully someone else on mso would be able to help out with your queries :)

If you have any questions in regards to the course itself, feel free to ask away!
 

Crow

Staff
Moderator
Hi, I'm looking at medical imaging at USYD as a backup to med, and either going for post-grad med or sonography. Was it a lot of trouble for the students there who wanted to go for postgrad med? Like was there additional workload other than having to do study bio and chem for GAMSAT? Thanks!
What exactly do you mean by additional workload? All degrees come with a workload (sorry for pointing out the obvious!) but the difficulty is subjective and individualised depending on how well you adjust to university-level study, how you personally find the content of that degree, etc.

As for GAMSAT - there is a big misconception surrounding the background science knowledge required. To be honest, you really don’t need much of a science background to do well, and your time preparing is probably best spent on time management skills and practice exams/essays rather than learning core science content.
 

jdog

Member
Hey jdog,

As I am currently a first year, I don't know much about the workload situation and due to covid, there has been limited interaction with the other cohorts, so I haven't been able to find out much. However, we do complete bio and chem units in first year, which I believe should be sufficient for gamsat, so I reckon it wouldn't be too bad + we do heaps of physics so that should definitely help. Additionally, I am not sure about how hard the placements get (like are they long hours or short...) and since quite a lot of the placements occur in the 3rd and 4th years, alongside an honours program (if you get, I think, distinction average), so I cannot really comment on whether it would be difficult to juggle uni, placements and prepping for postgrad med. Hopefully someone else on mso would be able to help out with your queries :)

If you have any questions in regards to the course itself, feel free to ask away!
Thanks for the reply! Just one more quick question. There's a lot of physics involved, which I didn't do at high school, so I was wondering if is going to be exceptionally difficult in the first year?

What exactly do you mean by additional workload? All degrees come with a workload (sorry for pointing out the obvious!) but the difficulty is subjective and individualised depending on how well you adjust to university-level study, how you personally find the content of that degree, etc.

As for GAMSAT - there is a big misconception surrounding the background science knowledge required. To be honest, you really don’t need much of a science background to do well, and your time preparing is probably best spent on time management skills and practice exams/essays rather than learning core science content.
I was mainly referring to GAMSAT for additional workload. Sort of like studying for my high school subjects + also the UCAT but in this case studying for uni + GAMSAT. From looking at the testing windows for GAMSAT and USYD's exam period there seems to be ample time between them so I'm guessing it will be ok, as this year's workload wasn't too bad.
 

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I was mainly referring to GAMSAT for additional workload. Sort of like studying for my high school subjects + also the UCAT but in this case studying for uni + GAMSAT. From looking at the testing windows for GAMSAT and USYD's exam period there seems to be ample time between them so I'm guessing it will be ok, as this year's workload wasn't too bad.
Ah right. I'm not familiar with USYD's academic calendar but certainly you should have ample time to prepare for the March exam over the summer holidays. Not to mention, you can sit the exam as many times as you like, twice a year.
 

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Thanks for the reply! Just one more quick question. There's a lot of physics involved, which I didn't do at high school, so I was wondering if is going to be exceptionally difficult in the first year?
There's quite a bit of physics, but it is manageable. You don't need to have knowledge of all of year 11 and 12, other than the waves topic. So before you start your degree, I would suggest just borrowing the year 12 physics textbook and reading upon the waves topic (hsc physics) and that should be enough background knowledge to help you through the semester.
 

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