I read Bond university at 4th place and stopped reading.Top Medicine Universities in Australia | Uni Reviews
What do you all think?
Look at the satisfaction rating and the salaroes.
The salary first year out of uni isn't set by university, it's set by the state they find their internship in and is relatively constant based on the state award. So all full time interns in NSW get paid the same base rate, and all full time interns in WA get paid the same base rate, and all the full time interns in VIC get paid the same base rate and so on. This has nothing to do with the quality of the uni and everything to do with the location of the jobs interns get which is determined largely by the state of graduation. UWA thus has higher average pay per intern because WA pays all its interns (no matter which university they graduated from) a higher salary.Mana, Why stop reading?
The difference in salaries quite big for different universities.
JCU students are highest satisfaction. Wonder why
Would you have any info on internship in WA? Thanks.Where you work immediately after graduating depends on where you get an internship. Being a CSP student you are guaranteed one in the state you graduate med from, but you may also apply for one in your home state. This usually works out okay if your home state is NSW, since the NSW gov offers more internships then there are NSW CSP grads and being a returning grad you are slotted in below NSW CSP but above other CSP & int'l grads (although you likely end up in a pretty undesirable location).
Vic is different though, there Vic int'l grads are priority ranked higher than returning CSP grads. There's no guarantee the Vic gov will offer enough internships in future to cover Vic int'l grads let alone lower-ranked returning CSPs.
From Med Deans data there were 287 domestic graduates last year 2017-18 (UWA 193, UNDF 94).Would you have any info on internship in WA? Thanks.
Thank you heaps.From Med Deans data there were 287 domestic graduates last year 2017-18 (UWA 193, UNDF 94).
Of the 318 intern positions on offer only 273 were filled by WA-medschool graduates. So they "imported" 45 interns from other states
> Media Statements - Junior doctors welcomed into WA health system
It will be quite different in future though when 70-80 Curtin grads are added to the pool. The gov will increase internships to cover them but likely there will no longer be room for interstate imports.
Whether you pursue and get offered a registrar position (accredited or unaccredited) or not.What determines how long the residency goes for?
Yes, but worth noting that if you have completed fellowship, you still need to be offered a consultant position somewhere. I think in certain specialities (especially in metro areas) this can be a challenge, and some undertake additional fellowships at this stage to broaden their CV (obviously this isn’t the only reason one would undertake an additional fellowship).Is this the point where you’re officially a psychiatrist (for example)?
What is the different between an unaccredited registrar position and an accredited one?Whether you pursue and get offered a registrar position (accredited or unaccredited) or not.
Yes, but worth noting that if you have completed fellowship, you still need to be offered a consultant position somewhere. I think in certain specialities (especially in metro areas) this can be a challenge, and some undertake additional fellowships at this stage to broaden their CV (obviously this isn’t the only reason one would undertake an additional fellowship).
I’ll let chinaski comment on that though
Differences depend a lot on the actual job itself, but in general accredited positions require you to be a part of the training college (surg, physician, ED, ICU etc.) and so often necessitate a more senior registrar. Theoretically the accredited positions are supposed to have the job that needs more experience / seniority but there are certainly situations where this isn't the case - for example if your hospital isn't accredited for a urology registrar training position then often the unaccredited general surgery registrar will cover urology overnight... essentially being expected to act as the accredited urology reg despite not being on that training program. Being an accredited registrar also affords you the protection of the college -- there are minimum requirements that the colleges outline that in order to keep accreditation the hospital must abide by, often these include rostering agreements (non-clinical days, maximum amount of time spent on night shifts, minimum operating/clinical time) minimum supervision and so on.. which means the accredited registrar job is sometimes more protected than unaccredited jobs (especially common in surgical fields).What is the different between an unaccredited registrar position and an accredited one?
In most cases this is true but some colleges will retrospectively accredit training... though this comes with its own set of challenges. I am still technically an unaccredited ICU registrar but the 12 months of ICU I have done + 12 months of med time + rural time (3 months) will count towards my overall ICU time even though it was completed prior to being a part of the college.One is accredited for college training, the other isn't. Unaccredited time cannot be used towards training requirements.
I didn't mention retrospective accreditation of training as it's slippery and certainly not guaranteed. Theoretically the RACP will *consider* RPL but will often turn requests down (after charging an application fee, of course). The hoops to jump through that you mention are only the half of it - the quality and site of training must also be of a certain standard to be considered. Over the years the college has really restricted retrospective accreditation - their policy used to be a great deal more generous.In most cases this is true but some colleges will retrospectively accredit training... though this comes with its own set of challenges. *snip*
Similarly, there is the potential to get medical terms retrospectively accredited for Basic Physician Training but only if you prospectively sort out a lot of things -- you need a supervisor willing to tick you off twice a term (often has to be the director of training), need to do mini-CEX's, need to submit a essay to the college begging for them to approve it etc. etc.