JPM WSU/CSU JPM: UCAT Section Weighting Discussion and Questions

hahahahaxd · Oct 31, 2019

A1 said:
Your score helps indicate VR 60% was more likely than 55%. With the 60% formula the lowest GWS with an invite is ...

Is there a likely chance we do get clairifcation on this at any point before next year?

A1 · Nov 1, 2019

hahahahaxd said:
Is there a likely chance we do get clairifcation on this at any point before next year?

Based on how they were in the UMAT years and their track record as in this post > UCAT Score Use by Med and Dent Schools
I doubt we will get any straight fact from WSU.

damn · Nov 8, 2019

A1 said:
Your score helps indicate VR 60% was more likely than 55%. With the 60% formula the lowest GWS with an invite is

Is it likely they used a different formula for top up offers, as i noticed people got top up invites with significantly lower scores, someone's total added up to 678.9 I believe?

A1 · Nov 8, 2019

damn said:
Is it likely they used a different formula for top up offers, as i noticed people got top up invites with significantly lower scores, someone's total added up to 678.9 I believe?

I got four new sets of scores today, three fit in with the previous formula, the fourth required me to rework.

The weightings are now better presented in factors as VR + 0.2xDM + 0.2xQR + 0.3xAR
(equivalent to 58%VR + 12%DM + 12%QR + 18%AR in percentage terms).

The new lowest is 726.4 non-GWS, 685.0 GWS.

VR	DM	QR	AR	Total	%ile	Invite	Aggregate (to prove the % terms)

670	820	780	870	3140	99	Yes	737.2
670	680	860	870	3080	98	Yes	730.0	Prev lowest
700	690	860	770	3020	97	Yes	730.6
700	720	800	800	3020	97	Yes	732.4
720	780	830	680	3000	96	Yes	733.2
830	700	640	610	2780	86	Yes	752.0	Lowest %ile
700	730	860	720	3010	97	Top Up	726.4	New lowest

680	770	870	750	3070	98	No	726.2
680	680	830	800	2990	96	No	719.6
630	750	900	830	3110	98	No	712.8
720	810	730	670	2930	94	No	723.0
						-------------
610	730	780	870	2990	96	Yes-GWS	691.6
630	700	860	770	2960	95	Yes-GWS	691.2	Prev lowest
660	750	860	650	2920	94	Yes-GWS	693.0
720	700	700	620	2740	83	Yes-GWS	697.2	Lowest %ile
640	720	740	800	2900	93	Top Up-GWS	690.4
640	790	760	710	2900	93	Top Up-GWS	685.0	New lowest
590	700	830	870	2990	96	No Inv-GWS	682.4

christhekid · Jul 11, 2020

A1 said:
I got four new sets of scores today, three fit in with the previous formula, the fourth required me to rework.

The weightings are now better presented in factors as VR + 0.2xDM + 0.2xQR + 0.3xAR
(equivalent to 58%VR + 12%DM + 12%QR + 18%AR in percentage terms).

The new lowest is 726.4 non-GWS, 685.0 GWS.

VR DM QR AR Total %ile Invite Aggregate
670
820
780
870
3140
99
Yes
737.2
670
680
860
870
3080
98
Yes
730.0
Prev lowest
700
690
860
770
3020
97
Yes
730.6
700
720
800
800
3020
97
Yes
732.4
720
780
830
680
3000
96
Yes
733.2
830
700
640
610
2780
86
Yes
752.0
Lowest %ile
700
730
860
720
3010
97
Top Up
726.4
New lowest
680
770
870
750
3070
98
No
726.2
680
680
830
800
2990
96
No
719.6
630
750
900
830
3110
98
No
712.8
720
810
730
670
2930
94
No
723.0
-------------
610
730
780
870
2990
96
Yes-GWS
691.6
630
700
860
770
2960
95
Yes-GWS
691.2
Prev lowest
660
750
860
650
2920
94
Yes-GWS
693.0
720
700
700
620
2740
83
Yes-GWS
697.2
Lowest %ile
640
720
740
800
2900
93
Top Up-GWS
690.4
640
790
760
710
2900
93
Top Up-GWS
685.0
New lowest
590
700
830
870
2990
96
No Inv-GWS
682.4

Heyy A1, was just wondering what top-up means?

ucatboy · Jul 11, 2020

christhekid said:
Heyy A1, was just wondering what top-up means?

Not A1 but a top-up, as the name suggests, is when a university/tertiary admissions centre contacts you to arrange an interview/place offer despite initially missing out. Let's say WSU invited 500 people to an interview, but 50 people couldn't make it and so declined their offers. Their interview circuits are now 50 people short, so they contact the next 50 people on the waiting list to ask them whether they would like still like to attend an interview. These are called top-up ~~offers~~ invites. (edited by A1 - please use invites for interview to avoid mixing up with place offers).

anthonyb123 · Jul 19, 2020

I put my scores into the formula but it says I've gotten 1109?

A1 · Jul 19, 2020

anthonyb123 said:
I put my scores into the formula but it says I've gotten 1109?

The formula VR + 0.2xDM + 0.2xQR + 0.3xAR was sort of for presentation.
For the Aggregates as shown in the table you should use [58%VR + 12%DM + 12%QR + 18%AR ].

anthonyb123 · Jul 19, 2020

Yep 652.6, even as GWS, definitely not making it in this year

nonanon · Jul 19, 2020

anthonyb123 said:
Yep 652.6, even as GWS, definitely not making it in this year

I mean... no harm in hoping that WSU decides to change up the formula this year...right?

Tomato · Jul 19, 2020

A1 said:
I got four new sets of scores today, three fit in with the previous formula, the fourth required me to rework.

The weightings are now better presented in factors as VR + 0.2xDM + 0.2xQR + 0.3xAR
(equivalent to 58%VR + 12%DM + 12%QR + 18%AR in percentage terms).

The new lowest is 726.4 non-GWS, 685.0 GWS.

VR DM QR AR Total %ile Invite Aggregate
670
820
780
870
3140
99
Yes
737.2
670
680
860
870
3080
98
Yes
730.0
Prev lowest
700
690
860
770
3020
97
Yes
730.6
700
720
800
800
3020
97
Yes
732.4
720
780
830
680
3000
96
Yes
733.2
830
700
640
610
2780
86
Yes
752.0
Lowest %ile
700
730
860
720
3010
97
Top Up
726.4
New lowest
680
770
870
750
3070
98
No
726.2
680
680
830
800
2990
96
No
719.6
630
750
900
830
3110
98
No
712.8
720
810
730
670
2930
94
No
723.0
-------------
610
730
780
870
2990
96
Yes-GWS
691.6
630
700
860
770
2960
95
Yes-GWS
691.2
Prev lowest
660
750
860
650
2920
94
Yes-GWS
693.0
720
700
700
620
2740
83
Yes-GWS
697.2
Lowest %ile
640
720
740
800
2900
93
Top Up-GWS
690.4
640
790
760
710
2900
93
Top Up-GWS
685.0
New lowest
590
700
830
870
2990
96
No Inv-GWS
682.4

Is there any known reason that WSU emphasizes so much on VR?

DrDrLMG! · Jul 19, 2020

Tomato said:
Is there any known reason that WSU emphasizes so much on VR?

Nope. And WSU themselves haven’t even confirmed this is the case. MSO users posting their data helped us figure this out ourselves. WSU largely say nothing on the matter (as was also the case for their UMAT section weighting).

IQ ™ · Jul 19, 2020

I had gotten 688.8, would I even have had a chance based on last years statistics?

I am also from the GWS region

ucatboy · Jul 19, 2020

IQ ™ said:
I had gotten 688.8, would I even have had a chance based on last years statistics?

Yes, if you were a GWS student

IQ ™ · Jul 19, 2020

ucatboy said:
Yes, if you were a GWS student

Damn, but it would've had to be from a top-up offer rather than initially right?

ucatboy · Jul 19, 2020

IQ ™ said:
Damn, but it would've had to be from a top-up offer rather than initially right?

Yeah, if we take A1's weightings as gospel, you would not have made the initial 691 cutoff, but you would later receive a top-up invite. As for this year, anything can happen, such as:

UCAT scores shifting in either direction
WSU changing up their weightings

That said, fingers crossed everything turns out well for you

IQ ™ · Jul 19, 2020

ucatboy said:
Yeah, if we take A1's weightings as gospel, you would not have made the initial 691 cutoff, but you would later receive a top-up invite. As for this year, anything can happen, such as:

UCAT scores shifting in either direction

WSU changing up their weightings

That said, fingers crossed everything turns out well for you

Thanks so much, one could only hope.

owg1 · Jul 20, 2020

Has anyone gotten any clues from e-mails, etc. as to whether (or how) the weightings will change this year?
Any speculation?
What trends from UMAT have you seen over the years?

Crow · Jul 20, 2020

owg1 said:
Has anyone gotten any clues from e-mails, etc. as to whether (or how) the weightings will change this year?
Any speculation?
What trends from UMAT have you seen over the years?

WSU reveal very little information about their selection criteria. I don’t know how they came to decide on their UCAT weightings, but I can’t imagine a rationale for changing it up again until they’ve actually observed the cohorts they’ve admitted with said criteria and their performance in medical school - after this they’d be more inclined to make changes.

But hey, that’s just speculation and we really have no clue what they’ll do - and I doubt we’ll find out anything officially from WSU. We will have to wait and see when interviews are released.

occhiolisms · Jul 20, 2020

I got a 720 in VR and I think i just qualify for GWS, my overall was 2930. Do I have a shot at an interview?

occhiolisms said:
I got a 720 in VR and I think i just qualify for GWS, my overall was 2930. Do I have a shot at an interview?

Just kidding, I don't qualify for GWS

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