VIC Internship explanation

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  1. pi

    pi Junior doctor Administrar

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    What are you interested in? What hospital do you want to work at? There isn't a list of "do this and you'll be right", the things I've most got involved in have been things I was (obviously) interested in, doing them because they were interesting rather than because they looked good on my CV.
     
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    Hey guys, just wondering, if I haven't been shortlisted for the interview, would I still get matched with the hospital?
     
  3. Mana

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    As a general rule, if you are not invited to interview for a job where selection includes an interview, then no, you won't get matched with the hospital. In states where you normally get allocated a position without an interview (such as in most of NSW for internship) then if you don't interview, that's normal.

    However, in Victoria, where internships are merit based and competitive due to this - there may be a handful of exceptions to this rule and these tend to be in relatively more undersubscribed hospitals. If you're looking to get into a very popular hospital (RMH/Alfred/St.V/Austin), and interviews have gone out, and you haven't got one, you're probably out of the running, so you should probably re-evaluate where you think you would feasibly like to go.
     
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  4. pi

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    At Monash Health last year, they accepted quite a number of people they did not interview. As a result, if my info is correct, they didn't interview anyone this year.

    Alfred / RMH / Austin / StV would all be in-demand enough to never be in that situation.
     
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    Thanks Pi. Has anyone receive any news from Monash Health yet? Thanks.
     
  6. VeronicaHoran

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    Hi everyone :)

    I'm looking for some guidance and advice about how to build my CV in preparation for internship applications. Firstly, specifically about the Victorian standardised CV, how many pages should it be ideally and to be competitive? Secondly in relation to extracurricular activities, the Victorian CV template says extracurricular achievements, and I'm just wondering what sort of activities you can do that allow you to 'achieve' something? For example if you just play sport for leisure, you couldn't really list that because its not an achievement. Also in regards to leadership positions, does anyone have any suggestions about things you can get involved in which provide leadership opportunities, other than uni clubs?

    Sorry about all the questions! Thanks in advance!
     
  7. Perplex

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    I've merged your post into the appropriate thread. Someone here should be able to help.
     
  8. chinaski

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    You should concentrate on quality, not quantity WRT CVs. DO NOT fall into the trap of thinking that "more pages means my CV is better".
     
  9. VeronicaHoran

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    Ok thanks this makes sense. I'm just wondering how many pages people usually have, like what's the average number? I just want to get an idea of how much stuff I should be doing.
     
  10. chinaski

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    I can't tell you how many pages people usually have, but you should not be connecting CV length with quality or an indication of "how much stuff" you should be doing. I mean, if I said someone has a CV that is 10 pages long, would you think that was impressive or representative of a competitive candidate? How would you know? What if 9 out of those 10 pages was full of filler crap that was largely irrelevant?
     
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    Judging by your posts you seem to be a first year student (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm not sure which state you're studying in, but if it's Victoria, focus on doing well for now as your grades matter. Unless you have prior research experience anything now isn't likely to contribute much. In any instance, as chinaski has mentioned, focus on quality and on doing well in medical school for now.
    There is no "stock standard" approach to the CV. Also remember that your references matter as well. In short, the CV is not the be all and end all. Read pi's original posts for more details.
     
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    The things I (...and hopefully employers) value most on my CV were not things I did for the CV, but came about because of an interest I had and then subsequent opportunities I was given. If you're in the early stages of medical school, show your interest and be around the action, your CV will start to fill itself.
     
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  13. VeronicaHoran

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    I know that internship depends on our Z-score, but could someone please give me an idea about the sort of raw marks (percentages, eg 80-90%) we should be getting in exams and assessments throughout med school to get into the competitive hospitals, like St Vincent's? Like is averaging say 70% in general enough or not? I’m a first year btw

    Thanks in advance :)
     
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  14. Logic

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    Just to clarify, you are in a Victorian medical school?
     
  15. VeronicaHoran

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    No I’m actaully interstate, but I’m from Victoria and want to come back, which is why I’m stressing cos I know it’s hard to do
     
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    The current VIC internship priority system makes no special allowance for home-state returning grads. As such you would be ranked in the third/lowest category, behind Vic-medschool domestic grads then int'l grads. Be prepared for the situation in the future there might not be enough spots for all Vic int'l grads let alone a desirable spot left for you.

    Even if they can fit you in, the question is will they mix you in with your Z-score or leave you out of the allocation until the other two categories have all got their locations.
     
  17. VeronicaHoran

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    Ok thanks. But I’m just wondering for any student (Victorian or not), what grades would be considered good enough to get into the competitive hospitals? As in percentages you would get on an exam, not z-score

    Also, say I can’t get back to Victoria for internship year, what chances do I have of returning the year after?
     
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    I think you don't understand what is being said here - all the competitive hospital spots will be well and truly taken by the category 1's and category 2's so even if you have perfect marks, someone with straight borderline passes from one of these categories will get a place in those hospitals before you.

    Given that the competitive hospital spots are all oversubscribed, it's not a matter of getting good marks if you are in category 3 - it'll be a matter of whether you are willing to take a remote or rural hospital or not getting an internship in the state. The competitive hospitals are pretty much out of the question.
     
  19. Logic

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    Also, just to add on to what Mana has said, Z score I believe ranks you amongst your cohort, not based on a mark. So I don't think you'll find anyone who can answer what percentage you would need to get in an exam because it would vary. And also as an interstater you don't receive a Z score anyway I believe (pi can you confirm?).
     
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    Interstate students do not get a Z-score to the best of my knowledge.
    As others have mentioned getting an internship as an interstate student is extremely difficult. No one can say "70% = Safe Score = Guaranteed internship". Any number provided is pure guess work. In reality attaining an internship is much more complex and many factors are considered (as pi has outlined in the original post). Again as others have mentioned, cat 1's and 2's take up most, if not all, of the inner metropolitan hospitals. As Mana has mentioned, a return might mean going to a regional or remote hospital. Not sure what you're in but I'd be focusing on landing a spot at a good hospital and then working your way back.

    Getting in for residency is a different question and someone more qualified may be able to answer that.
     

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