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[Undergrad] Difference between undergraduate and graduate medicine?

Moreover, what could be the reason for universities to have medicine graduate course when many people prefer
undergraduate medicine course, and the course involves learning the same thing?

I think you're actually incorrect in inferring that "many people prefer undergraduate medicine course(s)". Who says so? I think there's room for both methods of entry, as both have positive and negatives alike. Limiting the method of entry essentially limits the kind of candidate accepted into medical courses. By opening up to graduates, the intake becomes diversified, and picks up students who may not have considered medicine in high school.

Additionally, the different curricula attracts different types of learners. For instance, grad entry courses may provide appeal to students who prefer early clinical contact or self directed learning, and undergrad courses may attract gifted, dedicated school leavers. Personally, I don't think I would have enjoyed the structure of the undergrad entry courses that were in operation when I was a school leaver, to the point that it would have been enough to dissuade me from applying at all (had I hypothetically have wanted to apply in the first place). As a graduate, the grad entry courses held far more appeal - enough to hold my interest long enough to investigate further and apply.
 
I think you're actually incorrect in inferring that "many people prefer undergraduate medicine course(s)". Who says so?

Don't mean to be blunt here, but I'm not sure why you guys are arguing about this. Who can possibly say one is better than the other when no-one here has done both.

They're both here now and here to stay, I don't understand why we should even have an argument about them.
 
Don't mean to be blunt here, but I'm not sure why you guys are arguing about this. Who can possibly say one is better than the other when no-one here has done both.

They're both here now and here to stay, I don't understand why we should even have an argument about them.

Read my post again. I wasn't arguing for one system above the other: I was actually pointing out that both have their own merits.
 
Don't mean to be blunt here, but I'm not sure why you guys are arguing about this. Who can possibly say one is better than the other when no-one here has done both.
:blink: I don't think that's what china was implying. She didn't say that one was better than the other. In fact..

I think there's room for both methods of entry, as both have positive and negatives alike.
 
Sorry chinaski, but I didn't mean to have a go at your post! :S I just found that the line I quoted from your post had summed up the previous discussion until your post, I agree with your sentiments (especially the line quoted by mighty) :) There's definitely room for both :)



(sorry for the poor communication on my part haha)
 
No offence taken. Nonetheless, I don't really see there's any arguing going on in this thread. Discussion, yes - but no arguing. I don't see anyone suggesting one system of admission is better than the other, either! People certainly may have their preferences as to why they personally like one method over the other (as they are entitled to do so), but that's quite apart from claiming superiority overall.
 
One point that should be drawn out more (china reminded me :P ) is that there is much less room to explore other interests within an undergraduate course. Your classes will be largely dictated to you, as will be your timetable. Many people have interests outside of medicine which use other parts of the brain. I had 3 general courses, they were incredibly refreshing.
 
To be fair, the content teaching is equal across the board, with most med schools spending the first 2 years on pre clin work. The cuts come out of auxiliary things like; pre internship terms, research projects, electives. At the end of the day, everyone is taught roughly the same thing. Some experience is missing here and there, but this is evened out pretty quickly as you go on, no doubt. At the end of the day, the student plays a larger part to this than any degree, especially considering the diverse background of some under and grad med students (nurses, bsc hons, phds etc).

Umn nope. Auxillary things are there. Its just those things are done concurrently with the degree instead of given extra time. Pre-internship terms and electives are done during what other unis would consider as the holiday period. You are expected to do your honours, mphil or phd concurrently with your medical studies. The things that are cut are the basic sciences/foundation units that undergraduate unis have and also holidays.

Unlike in undergraduate courses, graduate courses dont have a semester or two of hand-holding basic sciences taught to them nor any provisions for introducing students to the university lifestyle. This is to be expected as most people have had to sit the GAMSAT to enter (hence guaranteeing a first year level of science knowledge) and they have had a minimum of 2/3 years uni studying experience (or something equivalent in terms of life experience) hence they dont need to give a honeymoon period like some undergraduate courses do (such as what my friend at JCU described).

Holidays suck. In first year I've had a week off for Easter and a week off for midyear with no more holidays until the end of the year. We started in the third week of January and are about to end on the last week of November and ready to start again on the 2nd week of January.

Contact hours wise, Id say graduate has less direct contact hours than undergrad as we dont have to do the basic sciences again and hence we dont have stupid 3 hour chemistry practicals in addendum to the anatomy, physiology, histolofgy, microbiology etc. However, the material that we are presented definitely has huge holes to fill. If one hasnt done undergraduate sciences in some form, I imagine filling in those holes would be quite tough. For instance, after a week of orientation we jumped straight onto cardiovascular for 3 weeks. People who had previously not covered cell structure + function, neural conduction, ionic balances of cells, diversity of cells, neurotransmitter actions etc were rightly lost as all that material wasnt covered and instead we moved directly onto describing cardiac physiology. Some of the expectations are a bit ridiculous if one doesnt have prior knowledge (eg. expecting someone to master the MSK system in just 2 weeks) but I guess graduate schools can get away with assuming a large level of prior knowledge and most people can catch up as they are used to studying at university and the pressures it caues.

If I had a choice between grad and undergrad I would choose undergrad purely for the holidays alone. It is very depressing hitting the books again one week after cramming your head off for those terrible exams.
 
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Holidays suck. In first year I've had a week off for Easter and a week off for midyear with no more holidays until the end of the year. We started in the third week of January and are about to end on the last week of November and ready to start again on the 2nd week of January.

Eight weeks off a year sounds pretty sweet to me! Perhaps grad courses are designed to ease you into what to expect in the future...? ;) [/offtopic]
 
If I had a choice between grad and undergrad I would choose undergrad purely for the holidays alone. It is very depressing hitting the books again one week after cramming your head off for those terrible exams.

The first two years, yes you get holidays. However like I said, those holidays dry up after that.
 
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Eight weeks off a year sounds pretty sweet to me! Perhaps grad courses are designed to ease you into what to expect in the future...? ;) [/offtopic]

[offtopic] Haha yes. It was quite a reality check after enjoying the ridiculously long BSc holidays. 1 week midterms, 4 week midyear and an 8 week end of year? Yes please! Im trying to fit travel into our measly holidays and regretting all those hours spent doing nothing during my previous holidays as a BScer [/offtopic]
 
The first two years, yes you get holidays. However like I said, those holidays dry up after that.

2/5 years of getting decent holidays versus 0/4? I'll take em!

Some of my undergrad engo friends are complaining about how long the midsem holidays have been and how bored they are. It takes all of my self control to not lose it when they do that haha
 
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