Griffith MD certainly has AMC accreditation - not sure where you are reading otherwise!
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Guide: Choosing Between Multiple Offers for Medicine/Dentistry
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John Johnson
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Hi Crow, it says in the QTAC guide book published this year and given to all QLD school leavers that the provisional entry to griffith MD at Sunshine Coast University Hospital through USC bachelor of medical science is still subject to AMC accreditation since this is still very new. But it is confusing because I did think accreditation was based on the school (e.g Griffith MD) as a whole and not relevant to specific campuses (e.g Sunshine Coast). Could you shed some light on this?
What you have seen was correct before the 2019 graduate entry intakes. Since Griffith SC has had its first intakes in 2019, I think the AMC accreditation has been issued.
John Johnson
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If this was the case, wouldn’t they have fixed it for the 2020 QTAC guide published in 2019 and issued to all schools?
Hi Crow, please read my reply above, I forgot to quote you in it
As Crow has said USC‘s program is accredited, we know this because we know it is affiliated with Griffith’s. Student’s receive provisional entry into Griffith’s Doctor of Medicine program....which is definitely accredited. It is unusual that the QTAC book says that.
John Johnson
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Thanks Tomato and the rest of you for your help.... your efforts are greatly appreciated
DNA
JCU MBBS
A question very similar to this was asked in the Choosing Between Universities thread. I would suggest checking out.
As people sometimes say, asking this for a friend 
With a number of offers to various med schools and an eye to specific specialist training, does the same med school selection criteria brilliantly proposed by Mana still apply?
For example, given the number of graduates vying for graduate training opportunities wouldn't it be prudent to select a med school in a state where there is a better ratio of advanced training opportunities to applicants?
Is where you complete your undergraduate degree an issue (in terms of specialist training opportunities)? Can a UTas grad easily apply for advanced training in NSW for example, chinaski ? Thanks.
With a number of offers to various med schools and an eye to specific specialist training, does the same med school selection criteria brilliantly proposed by Mana still apply?
For example, given the number of graduates vying for graduate training opportunities wouldn't it be prudent to select a med school in a state where there is a better ratio of advanced training opportunities to applicants?
Is where you complete your undergraduate degree an issue (in terms of specialist training opportunities)? Can a UTas grad easily apply for advanced training in NSW for example, chinaski ? Thanks.
As people sometimes say, asking this for a friend
With a number of offers to various med schools and an eye to specific specialist training, does the same med school selection criteria brilliantly proposed by Mana still apply?
For example, given the number of graduates vying for graduate training opportunities wouldn't it be prudent to select a med school in a state where there is a better ratio of advanced training opportunities to applicants?
Is where you complete your undergraduate degree an issue (in terms of specialist training opportunities)? Can a UTas grad easily apply for advanced training in NSW for example, chinaski ? Thanks.
People cross state lines all the time - you shouldn't think of people staying within one state bubble from med school till death. Selection criteria for training programmes vary between colleges (obviously), but generally speaking one's current state of work doesn't factor in, though one's familiarity with a unit/local referees can play in one's favour (but bear in mind this is only one factor of many). Despite that, people can and do regularly apply for jobs as an "out of stater" quite successfully - it's not a big deal.
Insofar as depending on an assumed "better ratio of AT opportunities to applicants", I would not bother, and the stats are not that helpful/directly applicable or interpretable. Availability of jobs is always in flux and can vary quite widely between years. Some jobs, though advertised and seemingly "available", are often already inhabited and usually will roll over into the next year and go to the incumbent. Additional to that, applicant numbers on a national scale are not reliable indicators, given that candidates rarely only apply for one job each year (ie you can't account for the effect of multiple applications). Training jobs can also be tiered (which the stats don't reflect), in that (for example) some will only be appropriate for final-year trainees, and so they aren't actually "available" for a first year applicant anyway.
It's also privy to point out that talking about availability of physician advanced training positions in the context of this enquiry is putting the cart in front of the horse, given that you need to complete at least four years of work prior to that before you are even eligible to apply (assuming you complete basic training in the minimum period of time; a large proportion of people take longer than that). You could cross state lines several times over in that time alone.
TL;DR: It doesn't matter and don't put so much stock into those stats.
CrackedBat
Member
So does this mean a potential med student need not bother considering the increased opportunities that may be presented in the future by choosing to attend university in a state with a greater number of advanced training options or at least a better ratio of places to applicants?
For example NSW has 10 level 1 Trauma Centers (11 if you count ACT) verses Tasmania which has one. Shouldn't 'future opportunity' affect the med school/state choice as the number or applicants increases each year? Isn't NSW the exception? That if you want to work in that state (and complete a fellowship) you really needed to begin your studies there?
For example NSW has 10 level 1 Trauma Centers (11 if you count ACT) verses Tasmania which has one. Shouldn't 'future opportunity' affect the med school/state choice as the number or applicants increases each year? Isn't NSW the exception? That if you want to work in that state (and complete a fellowship) you really needed to begin your studies there?
People apply for jobs in multiple states and move, often. Think of it this way: a NSW med school graduate who completes PGY1 in NSW can potentially do PGY2 in Queensland, PGY3 in Victoria and PGY4 in Adelaide, at which point they pass the RACP quiz first go and become eligible to apply for a PGY5 advanced training position anywhere in the country for the following year. YOU ARE NOT BOUND TO STAY IN ONE STATE FOR YOUR WHOLE CAREER. Most people are commonly applying for AT positions in multiple states these days - you cannot be assured you'll get a job in your first or even second or third (so on) choice location these days. The fact that the hypothetical candidate described above originally graduated from and interned in NSW is reasonably irrelevant to their chances of getting a job in NSW as a PGY5 AT.
The ACT isn't a part of NSW WRT employment networks, BTW.
The ACT isn't a part of NSW WRT employment networks, BTW.
CrackedBat
Member
Thankyou Chinaski
That's exactly what we wanted to hear. Just to clarify though, the hypothetical candidate would prefer to intern in Tasmania not NSW. But nevertheless, your answer I assume remains true either way. Thankyou.
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It's an interesting question Jenga. I think it's a personal call based upon your own level of research and comfort with that research. Have you read the latest AMC accreditation follow up-assessment? I read through it and I didn't discover anything alarming (from my personal perspective). I've read other university assessment reports that I found more wanting than the Curtin one.
The important thing to note from the follow-up assessment is that Curtin's accreditation is still in tact and that the AMC stated in their decision that:
"The AMC is satisfied that the medical program of Curtin University continues to substantially meet the approved accreditation standards."(pg.2)
They didn't seem to just scrape past the follow-up either. But I would suggest reading the AMC reports yourself, particularly the follow-up assessment, if you are uncertain about Curtin's level of accreditation risk. Since Mana's initial comments, there has been another year of Curtin's operation and an AMC follow-up assessment, so things have advanced a little. However, there's always risk and it's up to you to decide. I don't see it as the same risk that existed in the very beginning, but a thousand other people might disagree.
Have a read of the report. Good luck with your decision!
bigyikes
WSU MD II
Just wondering, where can you find such reports on the medical schools in Australia?
D
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1. Google is your friend!
2. Otherwise visit the AMC site itself: https://www.amc.org.au/
3. As an example: this is a link to the last published follow-up assessment for Curtin.
https://www.amc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Curtin-2018-Report-secured.pdf
D
Deleted member 35034
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No problem Jenga - it's a good question. A lot of people probably have it on their mind.
Did you decide to take up your UWA offer?
D
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Congrat's on UWA. It's a great uni and med program. Good luck with the Curtin offer - I'm sure it will happen. Especially as declines roll in (I see there were quite a few declines/no shows for the recent interviews). But either way, UWA is only a year longer.
