Discussion: State and University-based Selection Bias

[SmoothCriminal]

it does, cant remember where i found the info though

According to this, this scheme is only applicable to a limited number of QLDers residing in postcodes 4306-4895. However, it does not apply to courses with special application requirements i.e. MBBS.

 

[A1]

Look, I think the university can do whatever they want tbh as long as they are transparent

Technically that's not true, because
(1) The public unis are largely taxpayer funded, it's not their own money they're spending so can't really do *whatever* they want
(2) They are federally funded so constitutionally can't discriminate on state line, except.... medicine.

Reason medicine is excepted is all CSP graduates are guaranteed an internship/job by the State gov. Effectively the med schools are pre-selecting future employees for the State gov so they can prefer to employ more from within their state.

 

[Nonstandard983]

Technically that's not true, because
(1) The public unis are largely taxpayer funded, it's not their own money they're spending so can't really do *whatever* they want
(2) They are federally funded so constitutionally can't discriminate on state line, except.... medicine.

Reason medicine is excepted is all CSP graduates are guaranteed an internship/job by the State gov. Effectively the med schools are pre-selecting future employees for the State gov so they can prefer to employ more from within their state.

Fair, I didn't think of it like that... I guess if that's the case all schools shouldn't have any state quotas then. At the end of the day no other employer can ask what state your from and not give you the job on the basis of that. Additionally, everyone will be a resident of that state when they move.

 

[A1]

I guess if that's the case all schools shouldn't have any state quotas then.

Despite all the crying about med students tsunami fact is the unis are NOT producing enough CSP graduates to fill all the intern/RMO spots the State govs want. They need to top up with non-CSPs or even imports.

That means it's very possible for med graduates/RMOs to quit their study state to return to home state. I've seen reports 2-3 years in a row ~15% of WA internships are not taken up by WA graduates. They prefer to leave than stay in WA (despite WA's highest pay haha). I think Tas has a similar problem. The State gov has legit reasons to prefer state-grown students to interstate "visiting students"

 

[Nonstandard983]

Despite all the crying about med students tsunami fact is the unis are NOT producing enough CSP graduates to fill all the intern/RMO spots the State govs want. They need to top up with non-CSPs or even imports.

That means it's very possible for med graduates/RMOs to quit their study state to return to home state. I've seen reports 2-3 years in a row ~15% of WA internships are not taken up by WA graduates. They prefer to leave than stay in WA (despite WA's highest pay haha). I think Tas has a similar problem. The State gov has legit reasons to prefer state-grown students to interstate "visiting students"

Okay, well maybe I'm just not educated enough about this to have an opinion hahaha, ill definitely be coming back home to WA if I get the option after medical school assuming I get a position.

 

[randomgiraffe]

Is it that unfair? Other unis (CQU, Monash, Adelaide) preference candidates from particular states.

I meant it was unfair because I was offered an interview over someone who had a much higher score

 

[Purplefolly]

Effectively the med schools are pre-selecting future employees

Damn true. And because of this secure (financial and socio-economic) arrangement between unis and State governments, Med schools have enormous leeway to use selection processes as they sit fit, hence, enter selection bias.