Flinders Flinders Medicine: Provisional Entry General Discussion

[Damson]

I'm not sure which status you're asking about.
In your SATAC application it usually goes Eligible -> Awaiting assessment (e.g. interview) -> Offer made (or not made).
After you've accepted the offer and enrolled you have the enrolment record as proof. I don't think SATAC status will change to Admitted.

Ah I see. I think our application systems are a little different - it migrated from SATAC to something else just this summer.

When did you register for orientation/enroll for classes though? Did the welcome email you got in November explain all this?

 

[ucatboy]

Ah I see. I think our application systems are a little different - it migrated from SATAC to something else just this summer.

When did you register for orientation/enroll for classes though? Did the welcome email you got in November explain all this?

Hang on, are you referring to Flinders undergraduate entry? Or something else? I think we're talking about completely separate things right now.

 

[A1]

When did you register for orientation/enroll for classes though?

For med schools they typically give you two weeks to accept the offer. If you have not done so by the deadline they can take the spot put into the next offer round.

Some schools allow you to accept then enrol later. Some combine into one i.e. the Accept button takes you to the enrolment page which you must complete. If you don't complete it doesn't record you as having accepted.

 

[jinjja21]

Okay let's assume 99.95 only needed 2600 / 70ish %ile to get a Flinders offer last year. Then how do we explain johnthicc 's friend 99.70 / 2840 who got a top-up offer?

If they had UES they'd have got an offer first up with 2840. If they didn't have UES why 99.70 got top-up but not those 99.80-99.85? Flinders is weird.

the 2600 was a top up offer as well. this makes me agree to doradoraaa's assumption(?) about getting 50% and being admitted into flinders med with 99.95 as a top up offer at the least if 99.75 with 2840 got in as well...

 

[Damson]

Hang on, are you referring to Flinders undergraduate entry? Or something else? I think we're talking about completely separate things right now.

I’m graduate entry

 

[DrDrLMG!]

I’m graduate entry

Oh, this is the Flinders provisional entry thread. We don’t really cater to Uni specific questions from grad entry students as Paging Dr is your go to for that (I mean, we’ll try in most cases, but it’s definitely not our wheelhouse).

 

[Damson]

Oh, this is the Flinders provisional entry thread. We don’t really cater to Uni specific questions from grad entry students as Paging Dr is your go to for that (I mean, we’ll try in most cases, but it’s definitely not our wheelhouse).

got it! Thanks for the heads up

 

[zoingoboingo]

the 2600 was a top up offer as well. this makes me agree to doradoraaa's assumption(?) about getting 50% and being admitted into flinders med with 99.95 as a top up offer at the least if 99.75 with 2840 got in as well...

My friend who got a 59% and 99.95 ues didn't get an offer and was around 45th in the list. I think the cutoff is around 70% for 99.95

 

[Crow]

Just for others reading the above, remember that the cutoff is not a set barrier but will change every year depending on the competitiveness of the applicant pool. With a school like Flinders with only a small number of places on offer and generous bonus schemes, the cutoff is probably subject to a greater degree of fluctuation from year to year than other schools.

 

[A1]

the 2600 was a top up offer as well.

Not to drag on this cutoff longer but as an additional comment. Iirc Flinders provisional quota is around 30 places based on previous enrolments. Last two years Flinders made 60-65 offers each, I thought that much overoffer was to cater for the anticipated declines. Yet they still needed to make several top-ups?

Btw you can use this link, enter the SATAC course code to see the number of 2019 offers (via SATAC so not including direct top-ups)
> https://media.news.com.au/adelaidenow/uni-offers/_offers.html

Flinders Med 214941 : 62 offers
Adelaide Med 314552+314553 : 106 unbonded + 44 bonded

The 2020 numbers are available here but behind a paywall > No Cookies | The Advertiser

 

[Monty123]

If you're from SA and got an Adelaide offer many would go with that instead. Similarly, anyone from interstate who gets an interstate offer would in all likelihood take that over Flinders. Hence, the declines. Nobody can predict the COVID-related trends but I don't foresee any major changes personally. People still want to study medicine and ideally still want to study it in their home state, for the most part.

I’d agree with the comment that people prefer to study in their home state - presumably to avoid the cost of living away from home.

However do you have any thoughts as to why people in Adelaide, as you suggest, generally take up an Adelaide offer In preference to one from Flinders?

 

[A1]

However do you have any thoughts as to why people in Adelaide, as you suggest, generally take up an Adelaide offer In preference to one from Flinders?

There are 3 reasons I can think of (but not necessarily valid reasons):

- Some students prefer to start studying med straightaway in Adelaide Y1 vs "mucking around" with some BMed studies at Flinders then start med Y1 two years later with the grad-entry students who may not have done any "pre-med" i.e. you are at same level despite 2 years of BMed.

- I haven't checked, the Flinders BMed is a 2-year accelerated degree but are you required to study 3 years' worth of subjects? If so then you incur 7 years of HECS fees vs 6 years Adelaide.

- Adelaide is Go8 , normally doesn't matter but does if you want to practise in Singapore for example, where Flinders med degree is not recognised.

 

[ucatboy]

I’d agree with the comment that people prefer to study in their home state - presumably to avoid the cost of living away from home.

However do you have any thoughts as to why people in Adelaide, as you suggest, generally take up an Adelaide offer In preference to one from Flinders?

EDIT: I'm speaking from the perspective of a local person. If you're applying from interstate, disregard things like distance from home.

Loads of reasons, some of which may be more valid than others.

• For many people, Adelaide (being in the centre of the city) is closer to them than Flinders. Flinders is quite far down south, and public transport isn't as convenient.
• "Direct" medicine versus provisional medicine: unlike UAdel, where you get clinical experience (sim patients etc.) from day one, you gotta wait till Year 3 (when the MD portion of your degree officially starts) to do that at Flinders. In first-year Flinders, you'll keep dancing around biology, chemistry and other "high school" subjects, which can get boring quite quickly, and things like anatomy will have to wait till later.
• Bigger cohort = more friends? There's only 30 students in your Flinders med cohort, versus 150+ at Adelaide.
• More of your friends go to Adelaide uni in general, so it makes sense for you to choose Adelaide med so that you want to be with them.
• Better campus life. I attended the Flinders o-week at the start of the year with my friends and it was pretty underwhelming ngl.
• This one is a very controversial reason but I think it's something that everyone has in the back of their head when applying for med schools: perceived prestige. I won't comment too much on this.

At the end of the day though, medicine is medicine, and everyone graduates with the same degree and qualifications.

 

[TKAO]

EDIT: I'm speaking from the perspective of a local person. If you're applying from interstate, disregard things like distance from home.

Loads of reasons, some of which may be more valid than others.

• For many people, Adelaide (being in the centre of the city) is closer to them than Flinders. Flinders is quite far down south, and public transport isn't as convenient.
• "Direct" medicine versus provisional medicine: unlike UAdel, where you get clinical experience (sim patients etc.) from day one, you gotta wait till Year 3 (when the MD portion of your degree officially starts) to do that at Flinders. In first-year Flinders, you'll keep dancing around biology, chemistry and other "high school" subjects, which can get boring quite quickly, and things like anatomy will have to wait till later.
• Bigger cohort = more friends? There's only 30 students in your Flinders med cohort, versus 150+ at Adelaide.
• More of your friends go to Adelaide uni in general, so it makes sense for you to choose Adelaide med so that you want to be with them.
• Better campus life. I attended the Flinders o-week at the start of the year with my friends and it was pretty underwhelming ngl.
• This one is a very controversial reason but I think it's something that everyone has in the back of their head when applying for med schools: perceived prestige. I won't comment too much on this.

At the end of the day though, medicine is medicine, and everyone graduates with the same degree and qualifications.

I'm willing to bite for the prestige one. If I'm going to have to do a 6 year course at either Flinders or UAdel, then it only makes sense for interstate people to pick the one they've heard of more. I won't lie, I had never even heard of Flinders (I'd even got more ads to UniSA surprisingly) until I had to use SATAC. This then extends to family members that are funding you, if you can't string together a coherent argument to pick Flinders over UAdel that is succinct enough to be pitched to parents, then their pressure on you to pick the one that has more name recognition also undoubtedly plays a role.

EDIT:Totally irrelevant. I realise now that this is specifically asking for local students (I'll leave this up here to show how much of a clown I am)

 

[Tomato]

How many places does Flinders have (including provisional and graduate entry)?

 

[Crow]

How many places does Flinders have (including provisional and graduate entry)?

Domestic numbers: 30 undergraduate entry and roughly 75 (changes slightly each year) for graduate entry at SA. There are also 12 graduate entry places for the NTMP each year + international students.

 

[Tomato]

Domestic numbers: 30 undergraduate entry and roughly 75 (changes slightly each year) for graduate entry at SA. There are also 12 graduate entry places for the NTMP each year + international students.

Are 30 undergrad all unbonded?

 

[Crow]

Are 30 undergrad all unbonded?

Yes I believe so.

 

[A1]

Domestic numbers: 30 undergraduate entry and roughly 75 (changes slightly each year) for graduate entry

I think since your entry year the number has gone up by ~35. Currently there are 151 Y1s & 165 Y2s (domestic including NT) at Flinders. I wonder if this 35 goes to provisional or grad entry.

 

[Crow]

I think since your entry year the number has gone up by ~35. Currently there are 151 Y1s & 165 Y2s at Flinders. I wonder if this 35 goes to provisional or grad entry.

Are those numbers including the NT students and international students? The 2021 grad entry booklet also says 75 CSPs on offer for SA.