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JCU JCU Medicine: The Unofficial JCU Med Bible (Vol. 2)

I should have clarified that I felt more prepared from a content base at the end of fifth year. I have definitely refined a lot more clinical skills this year. As for your other comments, I think they're valid and I would probably actually support the removal of 6th year as it currently stands. I do think if they are to continue with it, they should introduce some more formal teaching (perhaps "ward call scenarios") or a dedicated research component (like UNSW for example) throughout the year rather than just default to what is essentially another $10k debt to our HECS and year of unpaid placement. I believe some of the changes made this year (for example giving opportunities for honours students to use their entire elective on data collection) makes me think they're loosely heading in this direction. But yes, I agree - JCU needs to really reflect on the utility of 6th year moving forward.
Speaking to past students, most have felt similar to you. How do you think it would be best to approach the AMC about considering a change like this? Speaking to people in my year has revealed most of us share similar frustrations around the quality of teaching in clinical years and the necessity of 6th year, yet student feedback seems to fall on death ears for a lot of the bigger issues in the course structure.

I don't think AMC has jurisdiction on that. AMC is a standards / accreditation authority for medical education and assessment. Once started working interns & junior docs' standards are regulated by the Medical Board / AHPRA registration.

IOW if rural medicine/placement is a required part of the AMC accreditation it needs to be completed before graduating.
Yes, that's right. I was more so reflecting on the highlights of the JCU program (rural placements) and how this could be incorporated at either a junior doc or med student level, with either AHPRA or AMC, to improve the competency of junior staff, given this experience likely improves the competency/confidence of JCU grads and thus, justifies to the AMC accrediting the extra year JCU has in its undergrad program.
 
I don't think AMC has jurisdiction on that. AMC is a standards / accreditation authority for medical education and assessment. Once started working interns & junior docs' standards are regulated by the Medical Board / AHPRA registration.

IOW if rural medicine/placement is a required part of the AMC accreditation it needs to be completed before graduating.
Is this correct? My understanding was the AMC also covers prevocational learning frameworks and theoretically could enforce rural terms for PGY1/PGY2s (obviously not for accreditation though)? See here. Unless I'm reading that wrong.

Speaking to past students, most have felt similar to you. How do you think it would be best to approach the AMC about considering a change like this? Speaking to people in my year has revealed most of us share similar frustrations around the quality of teaching in clinical years and the necessity of 6th year, yet student feedback seems to fall on death ears for a lot of the bigger issues in the course structure.
The student society (JCUMSA) submits an independent annual student report to the AMC which I know for a fact is read by the AMC and often results in the medical school being forced to respond to recommendations according to the AMC standards. The one this year was pretty comprehensive - but would be something to lobby with next year's executive to comment on if you're really passionate about it. Outside of that, unfortunately the reality is things are unlikely to change too much without an appetite of change from within the JCU CMD. And sadly it's much easier for medical schools to keep the status quo than making big changes (and improvements) to course structures.

I personally don't think our 6th year rural placement is closely intertwined with our AMC accreditation. I think this has just always been the case and JCU hasn't really put forward an argument to compress things into 5 years, even though it probably could. If there's enough appetite for it, probably could put a case to the CMD, but I can already hear the words of certain senior CMD staff outlining in pristine detail the benefits of 6th year placement... so best of luck! :)
 
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Is this correct? My understanding was the AMC also covers prevocational learning frameworks and theoretically could enforce rural terms for PGY1/PGY2s (obviously not for accreditation though)? See here. Unless I'm reading that wrong.
You're right, I overlooked AMC's role on prevocational PGY1 & PGY2. However ...

If we look deep into the documents they say "The prevocational training program overall, and each term, is structured to reflect requirements described in the Medical Board of Australia’s Registration standard"
i.e. the Medical Board sets the requirements, AMC accredits the health services (PGY1/2 employers) whose training & assessment meet these requirements.

I was more so reflecting on the highlights of the JCU program (rural placements) and how this could be incorporated at either a junior doc or med student level, with either AHPRA or AMC, to improve the competency of junior staff, given this experience likely improves the competency/confidence of JCU grads
As above the Medical Board sets the requirements (Australia-wide) for junior doctors' AHPRA registration. It's not logical for JCU to submit to AHPRA or AMC to be different to the rest at junior doc level.

As for med student level, not only JCU but other med schools (including UWA where I studied) have submitted their course curriculum to AMC, which include 1-2 rural placement terms, for the degree's accreditation. That's what I meant with having to complete it before graduating, not to be shifted to junior doc training.

JCU hasn't really put forward an argument to compress things into 5 years, even though it probably could. ... so best of luck! :)
I fully agree with this comment^.
 
I fully agree with this comment^.
I think the big problem is how difficult any change would be for internship numbers... it would basically mean for one year JCU would have to double their numbers of graduating students from ~200 to ~400 and guarantee all those new CSPs spots in QLD. That being said, the federal government clearly has no issue with building new medical schools and significant increases in the volume of interns over last few years it seems... so maybe it wouldn't be as hard as it sounds.
 
I think the big problem is how difficult any change would be for internship numbers... it would basically mean for one year JCU would have to double their numbers of graduating students from ~200 to ~400 and guarantee all those new CSPs spots in QLD. That being said, the federal government clearly has no issue with building new medical schools and significant increases in the volume of interns over last few years it seems... so maybe it wouldn't be as hard as it sounds.
Intern numbers have doubled from the early 2000s I think? I don't think a temporary excess of interns for one year would throw everything off balance. Yeah I get that JCU is not incentivized in anyway to remove 6th year and make any drastic changes to the course structure generally. Is there some way to circumvent the formal process of speaking to the CMD or submitting the JCUMSA report to the AMC and I suppose incentivize JCU to actually change things? I have noticed the last two AMC reports mention 'clearer learning objectives for 5th yr' yet I am unsure about how much this has actually changed if it's come up in 2 reports now and hearing anecdotally 5th yr is still all over the place.
 

Sixth Year Update - Epilogue​

With the doff of a hat, and some tears, my six years in FNQ have finally come to an end as I finally graduate and embark on the next chapter of my medical journey. It's all a bit sad; when you spend six years in any place, you form lots of relationships, and just like the end of high school, the fear of the unknown around the corner is a bit overwhelming at times. But it is a natural part of life, and so I'm filled with a mix of cautious excitement and trepidation as I begin my journey in Queensland Health next year. I remember thinking way back in 1st year I'll run back to NSW immediately after graduating, but it's crazy how much your views can change over a few years. I now see myself settling down in Queensland over NSW (I mean, who would voluntarily choose to live in Sydney with today's rental market...)

In terms of sixth year, it's going to be a bit hard for me to go over the details without doxing myself (I already know there's a few of you who have had your 'aha' moment and discovered who I am at uni, so hey, I guess!) But I will try to give a balanced overview, like I have for the previous years, with my honest and open commentary on the course. Once again, my perspective is unique to Townsville!

In general, I have definitely adored not having the stress of looming exams, but the constant barrage of mostly clinically irrelevant assignments has left a bad taste in my mouth. Somewhat paradoxically, I almost miss having some form of loose self-assessment like MCQs throughout the year instructed by the uni, as it's so easy to spend a lot of time on assignments rather than actually revise high-yield clinical medicine content... which slowly seeps away out of your hippocampal storage as you don't study it. I believe this aspect is being improved for next year, with a change in the year coordinator who has some bright ideas for changes.

Like 5th year, you really only see people in your rotation, and this can isolate people, but also open up new avenues for close friendships.

Course Structure​

The course is split into four different terms, each 10 weeks in duration:
  • Adult Health (AH) 5 & 10
  • Clinical Elective (CE)
  • Critical & Crisis Care (CCC)
  • Rural Internship (RI)
In sixth year, given the absence of formal written examinations, there is a lot of variability to how the year goes. Some students for example can opt to do their Rural Internship over 2 terms (usually their AH5/AH10 rotation), or in some cases the entire year.

Adult Health 5 & 10 (AH5/AH10)​

AH5/AH10 is your mix of 5 week surgical (AH5) and 5 week medical (AH10) rotations. Usually, it's split between a Public and Private rotation. I had a great rotation at the public hospital, but endured 5 weeks of pain on my private rotation whereby the surgeon I was shadowing, in typical old-school narcissist fashion, exposed me to some of the darker sides of training in surgical subspecialities. I was asked to come in at 6:30am every day, do a quick ward round, assess the patients pre-operatively and mark the site of surgical intervention, scrub into theatre for 8 hours, and maybe I'll go home at 4:30-5:00pm if I was lucky. There were threats that if I leaved early without his permission, I would be "failed". On the big theatre list days, that was more like 8:00pm. This has solidified my distaste for surgery, and unfortunately the clinical school were not very helpful at all. But the character building has been immense, let me assure you. In a weird way, I am sort of glad I got the experience, because nothing will ever compare with the degrading treatment of making a mistake while assisting in theatre as a student, and the verbal barrage of swearing that will follow. No-one copped it more than the poor nuses though... The only reason he gets away with it is because he is damn good at what he does, he flaunts his world-leading low post-operative complication rate and he only works privately, where he seemingly can do whatever the hell he likes, because he's paying the people who work for him likely double the equivalent public sector salary. I'm sure this guy is a rare exception, but anyway - just my experience.

I hope I haven't scared anyone off though - I just got really unlucky with my allocation (most other students said they enjoyed their private rotation)!

Clinical Elective (CE)​

Your CE is your opportunity to do whatever you like for 10 weeks, within reason. Some people stay at home and do an elective or research at the hospital in a specialty of interest, other people go interstate, and some even go overseas. There's really no restriction on what you can do, as long as it's medical. I was lucky enough to get a scholarship to go overseas to do a short elective in a developing country which was an incredible experience. Seeing another healthcare system really does give you perspective into the lives of poorer populations around the world, and how great we have it in comparison. You have to complete a report to submit at the end of the rotation and also get your attendance signed.

Critical & Crisis Care (CCC)​

This is where you do a mix of palliative care (2 weeks), anaesthetics (2 weeks), ICU (1 day to 1 week) and ED (5 weeks). A mostly good rotation in Townsville, where the clinicians try to get you involved. Lots of teaching. You will revisit a lot of pharmacology.

Rural Internship (RI)​

Once again, JCU thrives when it comes to rural placement. It is a pretty universal sentiment that rural is the most fun in 6th year, as the doctors know you've sat and passed your final medical exams, so are somewhat competent to manage simple intern tasks. So, you will likely be treated accordingly and develop a bit of independence before your real internship the following year. I had a fantastic time, made lots of friends with the doctors at my really remote site. I would encourage everyone if you're going to go rural, actually go rural, because you will see a whole lot more when the nearest tertiary referral hospital is 10 hours away, rather than 1 hour away. I've developed so many clinical skills and clinical acumen that I will carry with me moving forward. Mostly, the doctors are pretty reasonable when it comes to your hours and signing your attendance forms, so although they say you will be on placement 8-4 every day, very rarely is that accurate, especially when things are quieter in ED or you have a long-weekend planned. Your wage is 1 coffee/day.

Without sounding like a JCU propogandist, you really do appreciate the rural vs city disparity in health access and outcomes when you're actually living and breathing on rural. The workforce retention issues, discussions around whether time off work to go get a simple thing like a scope following a positive iFOBT are real, and even if you don't intend to work rurally down the track, you can't help but admire the incredible work of rural generalists in their work from delivering babies in the morning, running afternoon GP clinics to doing needle thoracotomies' on patients who unable to be transferred for another 6 hours following MVAs in the middle of the night. While there are certainly downsides which I think are important to mention (and even the rural gens were clear about from the start to discuss honestly), and even though I'm not sure if the rural gen life is for me, I'm sure JCU will be happy to know it has definitely moved up the shortlist as a real option as there really was not a dull day. The close family-like vibe of all the doctors and the clear admiration they have from their patients in the community is something amazing to witness. We went on outreach clinics to remote Indigenous communities of 300 people who would quite simply not have access to a doctor without our trips, and to which access is completely cut off during the wet season and critically unwell patients have to be flown out. It's crazy to think that sort of thing exists in such a wealthy country like Australia, but it does.

Assessment​

As mentioned, there are no formal examinations in sixth year (and that includes OSCEs). Hence the open debate on this forum about the utility of sixth year. Instead, somewhat frustratingly, the uni has tried to demonstrate to the AMC that there is still ongoing non-rotational assessment throughout the year, mainly in the form of written assignments submitted online, many of which still are graded and go towards end-of-year awards:
  • CPD (100 points)
  • Progress Appraisal
  • Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples' Health Assignment
  • Basic Sciences Assignment OR Ethics Assignment OR Therapeutics Assignment
  • Year 6 Research Activity (2 Parts)
  • Clinical Elective Report
I'm not going to go into too much detail, as it's probably a bit boring, but overall the assignments were quite annoying, and did not serve much use as preparation for internship. The CPD program in particular, while I understand was trying to replicate CPD as a requirement in the workplace to come, was designed to be so incredibly complicated with multiple different submission areas and forms to fill out with attached evidence making the year more stressful than it needed to be. The progress appraisal is a fairly informal sit down with one of the course coordinators to see how you're going. The year 6 research activity tries to get students to come up with a research proposal, and then later refine the details on how they would achieve this within a realistic timeframe and budget. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples' Health Assignment is an enormous assignment meant to be slowly worked on over 8 months. It faced significant criticism, and was almost universally panned as being universally "racist" by Indigenous student representatives by expecting students to survey Indigenous patients about health inequities while simultaneously forcing students to write essays discussing conclusions already pre-defined in the marking criteria, which has led to the new 6th year coordinator re-writing the assignment altogether. The Clinical Elective report is a largely reflective piece asking students to talk about their experiences on their placement and what they've learnt.

But once they're done, you can sit back and enjoy life for a bit. I guess we can't complain too much, given it's all pass/fail!

Also, don't mess around on placement too much - this is the year that the university has and will fail you on professionalism if you try and escape placement early and piss off the wrong clinician. It's a flawed system, but definitely learn to identify the clinicians who are chill with you leaving early and signing your forms. You'll learn these skills over time...

What's Next?​

As mentioned, I'm interning in Queensland next year. For privacy purposes, I'm not going to divulge more beyond that. While I haven't set my sights on any specialty training pathway yet, I am probably leaning towards BPT at this stage. It feels really hard to make that decision until I've actually worked a bit more as an actual doctor, as the student life does seem so, so very different. All I know is I want to run as far away from surgery as possible! But who knows, maybe my feelings will change next year when I discover how attractive 30 minute ward rounds are...

Like our old JCU friend Benjamin, I will still likely be intermittently active here on MSO, but there'll be no more annual posts! For those that have been following me on this site over the years, thanks for reading my little rants, and I hope you all have a wonderful Christmas and New Year, wherever you are, and whatever you are doing!

- Stapedius
 
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Hey Everyone,

So I know there's no big exams at the end of 6th year, but I was just wondering if anyone is aware of some communal resources for MBBS6 - nothing too serious, but enough to not look stupid in the first week of placement?

Anyways, thanks in advance and hope everyone's 2026 is off to a great start!
 
Hey Everyone,

So I know there's no big exams at the end of 6th year, but I was just wondering if anyone is aware of some communal resources for MBBS6 - nothing too serious, but enough to not look stupid in the first week of placement?

Anyways, thanks in advance and hope everyone's 2026 is off to a great start!
Unapologetic plug here of Project Malleus. It's the open source clinical medicine Anki deck I have been leading for the past few years. We now have a full committee dedicated to completing the deck by the end of the year, and is a useful resource for final year medical students and interns. :)
 
Unapologetic plug here of Project Malleus. It's the open source clinical medicine Anki deck I have been leading for the past few years. We now have a full committee dedicated to completing the deck by the end of the year, and is a useful resource for final year medical students and interns. :)
Fair plug, looks like an awesome resource! I have spent a few hours trying to fiddle around and get it going, and admittedly my anki skills are not the most elaborate, but I keep getting stuck where it asks me to upgrade my ankihub account. Any suggestions?
 
Fair plug, looks like an awesome resource! I have spent a few hours trying to fiddle around and get it going, and admittedly my anki skills are not the most elaborate, but I keep getting stuck where it asks me to upgrade my ankihub account. Any suggestions?
The website includes a full guide on how to get it working. You can apply and be granted a free full subscription to AnkiHub by watching a video on the AnkiHub scholarship page (also linked on our website). Let me know if you have any issues after reading the installation guide. :)
 
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