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Medical Graduate Tsunami
- Thread starter Jjub
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if u look at the ppl on MSO that got GU 1st round offers (and accepted), a very, very large percentage was kiwi students anyway. Presumably ALL those nz'ers will be wanting to take their GU MBBS's back to kiwiland sooner or later.
Yes, we will have our own trouble in no time!!! Don't come here!!!!!!! Lousy wages, continual national reform, problematic unions & shocking rates of teen suicide, pregnancy and life expectancy discrepancies.....no, don't come here, you're far better off in Aussie......don't even think about it......(she winks conspiratorially)......
LOL well if u look at how many kiwis live here and go to our unis vs the other way round, we must certainly be the promised land compared to what you have there ;p
douseewhatisee
Regular Member
Lol. Australia just gives us kiwi's so much more options of obtaining our education.
JeremiahGreenspoon
Regular Member
And compared to Sydney, a substantial cost of living cut! Not that I'd expect to win an internship in Sydney, bah.
Wow, I didn't know NZ was a genuine option. You beauty.
The pay cut isn't actually as BAD as you think it is. The standard JHO (PGY1) salary at present is $78,000 NZD per annum which is variable by +/- 5k depending on the rotation you are on. But bear in mind that the 78k includes work 55-60 hours per week. There is no base hours per week in terms of salary because rostered overtime is paid at the same rate. Unrostered overtime here is barely claimed at all
that INCLUDES the shift allowance? my sister made AUD$78k ($55k base+shift allowances last year as a first year grad nurse! thats over $100k kiwi pesos i think ?
No such thing as shift allowance in New Zealand.
General RMO contract is 40 hours + rostered overtime (ranging from 5-20 depending on specialty per week).
shift workers are paid at rostered hours + 10 hours (pay scale increases in 5 hour brackets)
First time I've seen an article relating to this problem (at least partly) in the Gold Coast Bulletin and thought it was interesting so I'm posting the link: Budget cuts limit city's medical graduates Local Gold Coast News | goldcoast.com.au | Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia There's a form down the bottom for adding comments and thought it might be helpful if everyone jumped on board and explained the problem. This sort of thing honestly works; recent problems on the Gold Coast and thoughts on how to solve them have recently gone from background stories to being mentioned on national news in a few days because people have jumped on board and commented, the foremost example being the plan on how to clean up Surfers Paradise. A huge number of people commented on a small article and then some politicians, including federal ones, were coming on board and commenting on the problem and giving their opinions on how to and their support to solve it.
melbournemso123
Member
Medical Student Tsunami Bond MBBS 2013?
Hey guys,
I'm thinking about applying for the Bond MBBS starting in 2013. From what I've seen, Bond looks to be a great university, and I'd love to go there.
The only thing holding me back from thinking of Bond as my dream uni is this issue I've heard about a couple of times called the 'Med Student Tsunami', basically meaning that in a few years there won't be enough internships for all the graduating med students. I've heard that full-fee paying students will be the first ones to miss out, along with international students.
I was just wondering if anyone knows how bad this situation will be in 2017, when next years starting med students graduate? How many students will miss out on places, and if it's really bad, should I not bother applying for Bond at all?
Thanks for any help!
Hey guys,
I'm thinking about applying for the Bond MBBS starting in 2013. From what I've seen, Bond looks to be a great university, and I'd love to go there.
The only thing holding me back from thinking of Bond as my dream uni is this issue I've heard about a couple of times called the 'Med Student Tsunami', basically meaning that in a few years there won't be enough internships for all the graduating med students. I've heard that full-fee paying students will be the first ones to miss out, along with international students.
I was just wondering if anyone knows how bad this situation will be in 2017, when next years starting med students graduate? How many students will miss out on places, and if it's really bad, should I not bother applying for Bond at all?
Thanks for any help!
Hi, I have merged your thread here.
Have a read of this thread and maybe someone can give you more info.
Inflorescence
Member
Hi,
So I was just wondering, if you were a medically bonded student then wouldn't you be quite affected by this tsunami? Because you have to do your internship in specific locations or work in specific areas?
So I was just wondering, if you were a medically bonded student then wouldn't you be quite affected by this tsunami? Because you have to do your internship in specific locations or work in specific areas?
JeremiahGreenspoon
Regular Member
Technically I don't think you are required to do your internship or residency in these areas. You can do up to half of your bonded year requirements in these years, but given that you don't have to, I expect you'd just join the queue with everyone else.
I'd also just assume that regional area internships are not only limited in terms of number of places, but also number of applicants, though I would imagine that applicants will increase with the wave of graduating med students while the number of places will not keep up.
If you replace "internship" with "early years post fellowship", your premise is valid, a graduate oversupply will likely push the boundaries of what constitutes a DWS for students on the BMP scheme further and further out, as areas like outer metropolitan suburbs that had a previous relative undersupply are saturated, but really only time will tell. Rurally bonded students will likely be less effected, since their contracts are based on definitions of rurality rather than workforce supply per se.
What I really find frustrating is that in the general community there seems to be a backlash against overseas trained doctors who complete their studies overseas and then come to Australia yet we're turning away many internationals who have studied here in our system, have a great grasp of English and are, speaking generally, better assimilated and want to stay. Why are we continuing to bring in International Doctors whilst turning away the International students who have trained here and want to stay? This isn't even touching on the HECS people...
iddybiddy
Regular Member
Because these international medical graduates (IMGs) are needed to offset the skewed spread of doctors (ie, high density in metropolitan areas and low in rural areas). You can't really put an noob med school graduate out in the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, broadly speaking people in rural areas need more senior doctors NOW.
Also, careful with the generalisations there.. !
Also, careful with the generalisations there.. !