NCEA to ATAR

[yolo_]

Hey guys I was just curious what results are required for a 99.95 ATAR? If anyone has got that score this year could you please share your results here? Thanks

My results for level 3:

Biology: 22E 4M (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Chemistry: 24E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
English: 22E 4 A(2 E externals, 1 A External, 3 E internals)
Statistics: 24E (4 E externals, 3 E internals)
Physics: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Calculus: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Chinese: 15 E (2 E externals, 1 E internals)
Accounting: 22 E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Economics: 20 E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)

Overall: 196 E credits, 4 A credits (I was an accelerate hence took this many subjects)

I got an Atar of 99.85

 

[adawdea]

Hey guys I was just curious what results are required for a 99.95 ATAR? If anyone has got that score this year could you please share your results here? Thanks

My results for level 3:

Biology: 22E 4M (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Chemistry: 24E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
English: 22E 4 A(2 E externals, 1 A External, 3 E internals)
Statistics: 24E (4 E externals, 3 E internals)
Physics: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Calculus: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Chinese: 15 E (2 E externals, 1 E internals)
Accounting: 22 E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Economics: 20 E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)

Overall: 196 E credits, 4 A credits (I was an accelerate hence took this many subjects)

I got an Atar of 99.85

You got 200 excellence credits???

I think the only reason that you didn't get a perfect score is because the ATAR conversion will always use all of your English credits, I think these credits are more heavily weighted as well. And since you got an achieved in an english external it must have dropped you down a few points.

 

[yolo_]

You got 200 excellence credits???

I think the only reason that you didn't get a perfect score is because the ATAR conversion will always use all of your English credits, I think these credits are more heavily weighted as well. And since you got an achieved in an english external it must have dropped you down a few points.

Really? But I thought they take the best 90 E credits..

 

[adawdea]

Really? But I thought they take the best 90 E credits..

I think all English credits are weighted heavier and always included in the 90 because English is a compulsory subject for final year Australian students. I'm pretty sure there are a few posts here that say English is always counted; this is the first one I found.

[Undergrad] - A plea for NCEA to ATAR conversion help from ex-NCEA students

If you could give me an approximate estimation of how many Excellence credits and which subjects you took as well as the ATAR you received that would be incredible. Just trying to set a tangible goal :mellow: (ANY information will be helpful! NZQA doesn't give us much)

medstudentsonline.com.au

 

[Chickuns]

You got 200 excellence credits???

I think the only reason that you didn't get a perfect score is because the ATAR conversion will always use all of your English credits, I think these credits are more heavily weighted as well. And since you got an achieved in an english external it must have dropped you down a few points.

NZQA have confirmed to me that this is not true. English is only included if it is part of the best 90 credits. What likely happened is that a number of students took another subject that had high Di, this can sometimes be a random or unexpected subject (e.g. HPE had two standards with very high Di in 2021) and also took many of the same subjects (sciences, calc etc.) so they had a slightly higher total Di average over their top 90 resulting in them getting a top ATAR.

The Di rankings from NZQA can be requested by OIA asking for the weightings of all NCEA Level 3 standards for ATAR conversions.

 

[beanbean0]

Hey guys I was just curious what results are required for a 99.95 ATAR? If anyone has got that score this year could you please share your results here? Thanks

My results for level 3:

Biology: 22E 4M (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Chemistry: 24E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
English: 22E 4 A(2 E externals, 1 A External, 3 E internals)
Statistics: 24E (4 E externals, 3 E internals)
Physics: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Calculus: 23E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)
Chinese: 15 E (2 E externals, 1 E internals)
Accounting: 22 E (3 E externals, 3 E internals)
Economics: 20 E (3 E externals, 2 E internals)

Overall: 196 E credits, 4 A credits (I was an accelerate hence took this many subjects)

I got an Atar of 99.85

My friend got 99.95 and you did better/the same in everything except she got M and E for English externals while you got one A. So maybe that's the deciding difference.

 

[blonkplonk]

NZQA have confirmed to me that this is not true. English is only included if it is part of the best 90 credits. What likely happened is that a number of students took another subject that had high Di, this can sometimes be a random or unexpected subject (e.g. HPE had two standards with very high Di in 2021) and also took many of the same subjects (sciences, calc etc.) so they had a slightly higher total Di average over their top 90 resulting in them getting a top ATAR.

The Di rankings from NZQA can be requested by OIA asking for the weightings of all NCEA Level 3 standards for ATAR conversions.

Hi, would you be able to give information on what other subjects or standards tend to have a high Di and where you could find the Di rankings from NZQA once they respond to the OIA? As a student it seems frustrating that you can get straight E's but still not get the highest ATAR just because of the standards/subjects you took. Thanks.

 

[Chickuns]

Hi, would you be able to give information on what other subjects or standards tend to have a high Di and where you could find the Di rankings from NZQA once they respond to the OIA? As a student it seems frustrating that you can get straight E's but still not get the highest ATAR just because of the standards/subjects you took. Thanks.

It varies quite a lot year on year because the Di calculation is dependent on your performance relative to the cohort. The papers most likely to have regularly high Dis have high student counts and relatively consistent rates of achievement (e.g. stats, biology, english) however because of the number of low student number subjects in NCEA, there is opportunity for huge year on year variation as better or worse groups take those courses and as papers end up being easier or harder (Tech, specific Māori, and Arts subjects are particular culprits of this).

When NZQA reply to the OIA, it will contain a spreadsheet of every unit and achievement standard offered (using only standard codes). If you download the list of standard names from NZQA you can use VLOOKUP in excel to cross-reference and get the actual name of each standard. You can then sort by the category 'AdjPercentileE' to find the Di for an E grade in each of those standards. Note that all unit standards will have a Di of 1 (because getting an E is physically impossible so infinity is rounded to 1) so I would recommend excluding all unit standards from the sort. This can be done easily because Achievement Standards have a code from between 90000 to 100000 so just hide anything that isn't that.

It is quite unfair, because around 300 people a year end up with 90+ E credits, I'd personally prefer it to be taken from the top 100 E credits which would result in less people with the same credit count having different ATARs. Realistically though, this is the consequence of trying to move between countries which is something an education system is rarely designed to accommodate and you sometimes have to play with the hand you're dealt.

 

[Chickuns]

My friend got 99.95 and you did better/the same in everything except she got M and E for English externals while you got one A. So maybe that's the deciding difference.

This could be the case, depending on the standard it is sometimes possible for a merit grade to result in a higher Di than an excellence in different subjects/standards.

 

[blonkplonk]

It varies quite a lot year on year because the Di calculation is dependent on your performance relative to the cohort. The papers most likely to have regularly high Dis have high student counts and relatively consistent rates of achievement (e.g. stats, biology, english) however because of the number of low student number subjects in NCEA, there is opportunity for huge year on year variation as better or worse groups take those courses and as papers end up being easier or harder (Tech, specific Māori, and Arts subjects are particular culprits of this).

When NZQA reply to the OIA, it will contain a spreadsheet of every unit and achievement standard offered (using only standard codes). If you download the list of standard names from NZQA you can use VLOOKUP in excel to cross-reference and get the actual name of each standard. You can then sort by the category 'AdjPercentileE' to find the Di for an E grade in each of those standards. Note that all unit standards will have a Di of 1 (because getting an E is physically impossible so infinity is rounded to 1) so I would recommend excluding all unit standards from the sort. This can be done easily because Achievement Standards have a code from between 90000 to 100000 so just hide anything that isn't that.

It is quite unfair, because around 300 people a year end up with 90+ E credits, I'd personally prefer it to be taken from the top 100 E credits which would result in less people with the same credit count having different ATARs. Realistically though, this is the consequence of trying to move between countries which is something an education system is rarely designed to accommodate and you sometimes have to play with the hand you're dealt.

Ohh thanks. Do the 'Attainment Statistics Files' on NZQA's website have any relevance to the Di? I notice each standard has an 'Excellence Result Rate' so the lower this rate is would that mean a higher Di?

 

[Chickuns]

Ohh thanks. Do the 'Attainment Statistics Files' on NZQA's website have any relevance to the Di? I notice each standard has an 'Excellence Result Rate' so the lower this rate is would that mean a higher Di?

The excellence rate is only one factor of the Di so while it does have an effect there are a number of other figures at play (see my answer a few pages back). A standard with a high excellence rate can still have a high Di if the students that take that subject are getting Es everywhere else.

 

[igcsefood]

adawdea have you heard back with any offers? or has anyone yet?

 

[blackiechan1053]

Ohh thanks. Do the 'Attainment Statistics Files' on NZQA's website have any relevance to the Di? I notice each standard has an 'Excellence Result Rate' so the lower this rate is would that mean a higher Di?

Could you please share the file they send from OIA when they do?

 

[blackiechan1053]

Have been applying for aus med and dent with NCEA this year - got an atar of 99.45 with 95E.

I took Bio, Chem, Physics, English, Chinese, and Stats in 2022.

I only had straight E's in Chinese, and overall had 95E (45 from externals and 50 from internals), 21M and 4A. Would've loved to have my grades convert to a higher ATAR but managed a couple interviews and just waiting to see if I can snag an offer in the later rounds. Good luck to anyone planning to try out the aus pathway - it looks like u should probably take level 3 calc lol

Hi I am an aspring med student for 2024 and was wondering whether you were able to get an offer

 

[Quack's a lot]

I'm taking Calc, English, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Spanish

Total I am hoping to get 118 Excellence Credits. 79 of which are external and 39 are internal.
Any guesses on what ATAR I could get if I got this?
I have 1 merit in physics and 2 in bio - so total 10 merit credits.... our school only did 2 chem internals - both at E tho

I am not doing unfamiliar text - so my total of E credits in English would hopefully be 25 including the 8 from externals. Which is already over the 24 credit limit.

 

[blackiechan1053]

I'm taking Calc, English, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and Spanish

Total I am hoping to get 118 Excellence Credits. 79 of which are external and 39 are internal.
Any guesses on what ATAR I could get if I got this?
I have 1 merit in physics and 2 in bio - so total 10 merit credits.... our school only did 2 chem internals - both at E tho

I am not doing unfamiliar text - so my total of E credits in English would hopefully be 25 including the 8 from externals. Which is already over the 24 credit limit.

You’re not gonna get any definitive answers; but if you get 118E credits you have a really good chance of 99.90+ with your subjects. I have looked around and what stops a lot of people from getting 99.95 is not having Es in english and calc alongside others, since you have both you have a good chance at 99.95. Spanish is weighted the worst I believe out of your classes, so maybe put it last on your list of priority when studying.

 

[Quack's a lot]

Do you think it's worth trying for Unfam? I mean I never know how to study for it -

 

[blackiechan1053]

Do you think it's worth trying for Unfam? I mean I never know how to study for it -

I’m taking the same classes as you and I would say adding unfam for me would decrease my chances of excellence in the other 2 externals, but if you were to do all 3 and get excellence you would rank a bit higher, I’m not sure how significant the difference would be. Are you taking all externals for calc and sciences? What are you trying to get into anyway?

 

[Quack's a lot]

I’m taking the same classes as you and I would say adding unfam for me would decrease my chances of excellence in the other 2 externals, but if you were to do all 3 and get excellence you would rank a bit higher, I’m not sure how significant the difference would be. Are you taking all externals for calc and sciences? What are you trying to get into anyway?

I am taking all externals for calc and sciences. I'm hoping to get into med or dent atm. ... to be honest. A 99.95 would be amazing, but I am really hoping that I don't get anything lower than 99.85 just for course requirements.
I mean lets be honest. Unisyd would be great but Idk if I can get in there tbh

 

[blackiechan1053]

I am taking all externals for calc and sciences. I'm hoping to get into med or dent atm. ... to be honest. A 99.95 would be amazing, but I am really hoping that I don't get anything lower than 99.85 just for course requirements.
I mean lets be honest. Unisyd would be great but Idk if I can get in there tbh

Goodluck for unisyd but have you had a look at Melbourne chancellor’s sholarship? Free undergrad and guaranteed admission into MD and a $10k grant every year of undergrad. 99.90 is guaranteed entry.