JPM WSU/CSU JPM: Non-standard Entry

[Some guy]

They have previously told me via the chat function that it is your "most recent qualification." When I asked if that meant the most recent period of tertiary study, even if not complete, they said yes.

 

[A1]

They have previously told me via the chat function that it is your "most recent qualification." When I asked if that meant the most recent period of tertiary study, even if not complete, they said yes.

I would want to double check that again. If they do mean the most recent qualification, a recent incomplete study is not a qualification.

 

[Some guy]

I would want to double check that again. If they do mean the most recent qualification, a recent incomplete study is not a qualification.

Good advice, wIll check with them again tomorrow. FWIW here is the relevant part of the exchange:

Me: "So confirming if I have discontinued tertiary studies from earlier, then current tertiary studies 2017-now, it's this second set that gets assessed for the application? I didn't complete the previous studies - just discontinued as I needed to get a job. Haven't completed the current studies yet either but these ones do at least meet the GPA requirement to apply to WSU Medicine.

WSU person: "All good, you don't need to complete the second lot just need to have the GPA requirement as you said."

 

[A1]

Good advice, wIll check with them again tomorrow. FWIW here is the relevant part of the exchange:

Me: "So confirming if I have discontinued tertiary studies from earlier, then current tertiary studies 2017-now, it's this second set that gets assessed for the application? I didn't complete the previous studies - just discontinued as I needed to get a job. Haven't completed the current studies yet either but these ones do at least meet the GPA requirement to apply to WSU Medicine.

WSU person: "All good, you don't need to complete the second lot just need to have the GPA requirement as you said."

For non-standards who have not completed a degree but multiple incomplete studies, it's normal that they use the most recent.

I believe WSU however put applicants with a completed degree in a separate pool, using their full degree's GPA against the hurdle. Although possible I find it unusual that if these applicants have started a new incomplete study then WSU would revert back to using their partial GPA, and put them in the main pool or the graduate pool? It's a grey area that we have not heard of a clear answer.

 

[Some guy]

For non-standards who have not completed a degree but multiple incomplete studies, it's normal that they use the most recent.

I believe WSU however put applicants with a completed degree in a separate pool, using their full degree's GPA against the hurdle. Although possible I find it unusual that if these applicants have started a new incomplete study then WSU would revert back to using their partial GPA, and put them in the main pool or the graduate pool? It's a grey area that we have not heard of a clear answer.

Yeah, my circumstance is a bit different to Simon079 as I don't have a completed degree only old incomplete studies (GPA OK but not at MD threshold) and current incomplete studies (GPA meets the target). I've emailed Admissions in the hope they can clarify how they consider these things, as the WSU website is a bit brief on this point.

 

[Simon079]

It certainly is a grey area. I recently received an email back from WSU regarding my issue and they replied:

"In regards to your question, Western Sydney University looks into taking the highest ranked qualification for assessing applications. If you do obtain other partially completed qualifications to support your application, they will add on to make your ranking competitive to others"

My issue is that neither of my additional years after my initial bachelors meet the GPA threshold for study done under 1 year EFTSL (which is 6.1 GPA) and thus I am hoping they overlook the recent years and just take my bachelors with hons (which simply needs to be awarded to fulfill the GPA requirement).

I've sent a follow up email detailing my situation and am waiting to hear back.

 

[LouiseDisease]

So because my ATAR was >95.5 I don't have to worry about the hurdle of the GPA for incomplete studies?

ALSO another question: I see on MedEntry that it claims that UCAT is still a factor in you receiving an offer from WSU. Does anyone know if they would they be using the same formula to rank us as they did for interview or go off our complete percentile for consideration of offers?

 

[A1]

So because my ATAR was >95.5 I don't have to worry about the hurdle of the GPA for incomplete studies?

That's correct (unless you have completed a degree and are doing a new one).

ALSO another question: I see on MedEntry that it claims that UCAT is still a factor in you receiving an offer from WSU. Does anyone know if they would they be using the same formula to rank us as they did for interview or go off our complete percentile for consideration of offers?

There has been conflicting info from WSU themselves about UCAT consideration in place offers. If it is used it's logical that the same weightings will apply as for interview selection.

 

[LouiseDisease]

This report by the Australian Medical Council on Western Sydney Med from two years ago states on pg. 37 that selection is 75% interview, 25% UMAT.

https://www.amc.org.au/wp-content/uploads/accreditation_recognition/primary-medical-education/accreditation_reports/2017_WSU_report.pdf

 

[hyperbole]

It certainly is a grey area. I recently received an email back from WSU regarding my issue and they replied:

"In regards to your question, Western Sydney University looks into taking the highest ranked qualification for assessing applications. If you do obtain other partially completed qualifications to support your application, they will add on to make your ranking competitive to others"

My issue is that neither of my additional years after my initial bachelors meet the GPA threshold for study done under 1 year EFTSL (which is 6.1 GPA) and thus I am hoping they overlook the recent years and just take my bachelors with hons (which simply needs to be awarded to fulfill the GPA requirement).

I've sent a follow up email detailing my situation and am waiting to hear back.

Please let us know if you get a reply.
I'm in a similar situation. I have 1 year of incomplete studies that meets the GPA threshold. However, I undertook a new course afterwoods in an allied health field and it doesn't meet the threshold.
So under the "most recent" threshold, it will be tough for me. If they take the "best" set of grades, I meet the threshold.

 

[Simon079]

Right so WSU got back to me and confirmed they will only use your most recent academic study.

So in my case even though I have a completed bachelors from 2017, they will use the GPA from the first year of my new degree (started this year) to determine my eligibility.

 

[LouiseDisease]

Right so WSU got back to me and confirmed they will only use your most recent academic study.

So in my case even though I have a completed bachelors from 2017, they will use the GPA from the first year of my new degree (started this year) to determine my eligibility.

Was this based on the fact you have already completed another degree? I am very lucky that I did better in some exams than I thought so I am over the 6.2 GPA and my ATAR is over 95.5. I don't know why I am so paranoid. I wish the best for you if you haven't as yet sat the UCAT and applied, as from what I have inferred from your question!

 

[Some guy]

Was this based on the fact you have already completed another degree? I am very lucky that I did better in some exams than I thought so I am over the 6.2 GPA and my ATAR is over 95.5. I don't know why I am so paranoid. I wish the best for you if you haven't as yet sat the UCAT and applied, as from what I have inferred from your question!

I hear you on paranoia - made a minor pest of myself with both UAC and WSU Admissions on assessment of undergraduate studies for the same reason. FWIW they were both incredibly helpful and informative, and I felt slightly guilty about bothering them. Especially as this is just threshold stuff - the interview is what really matters!

 

[lasa]

For non-standards who have not completed a degree but multiple incomplete studies, it's normal that they use the most recent.

I believe WSU however put applicants with a completed degree in a separate pool, using their full degree's GPA against the hurdle. Although possible I find it unusual that if these applicants have started a new incomplete study then WSU would revert back to using their partial GPA, and put them in the main pool or the graduate pool? It's a grey area that we have not heard of a clear answer.

hey A1, have you heard/found out anything further about this separate graduate pool applicant pool?

 

[A1]

hey A1, have you heard/found out anything further about this separate graduate pool applicant pool?

I'm not sure on this but likely it was wrong. I remember reading from someone's post that WSU don't put graduates into a separate pool.

 

[Some guy]

Last year at least, graduates were in the same pool as other applicants.

 

[SLP]

Hey, I just wanted to clarify whether for JPM non-standard entry, they use the better out of ATAR and GPA (so 95.5 in my case as I am non GWS), or if they only use GPA. Thanks

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hey, I just wanted to clarify whether for JPM non-standard entry, they use the better out of ATAR and GPA (so 95.5 in my case as I am non GWS), or if they only use GPA. Thanks

They use the better as long as you’ve not got a completed degree.

 

[SLP]

They use the better as long as you’ve not got a completed degree.

Ok, that makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying

Hey, sorry but I had one more question about choosing between CSU or WSU as part of the JPM program for non-standard entry. I know the entry requirements for WSU, but it is CSU which I'm unsure about. Do they similarly consider the better of ATAR and GPA like WSU does? Also, how do the chances lie up of getting an offer for CSU once you are successful for an interview? Thanks

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hey, sorry but I had one more question about choosing between CSU or WSU as part of the JPM program for non-standard entry. I know the entry requirements for WSU, but it is CSU which I'm unsure about. Do they similarly consider the better of ATAR and GPA like WSU does? Also, how do the chances lie up of getting an offer for CSU once you are successful for an interview? Thanks

The Joint Program in Medicine is a single entity as far as admissions goes. There is one set of criteria and it all goes through UAC as a single program. The difference comes into play a little later, but it’s not to do with scores, it’s to do with %of rural places. CSU has a much higher portion of its places dedicated to rural applicants. So if you’re non-rural, statistically you’re more likely to get a WSU offer (if you’re eligible for one after interviews). I hope that makes sense!