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[2020 entry and beyond] Guide to Bonded Medical Places

CristinaYang

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(edited to remove misinformation from another user)

afaik if you have a Kensington offer, during med school you're under no obligation to do placements rurally even with a BMP
 
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stargirl1

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If I have accepted BMP at Monash and I'm enrolling, does this mean I have legally accepted? Or is there more paperwork to come? How does it work?
 

LMG!

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If I have accepted BMP at Monash and I'm enrolling, does this mean I have legally accepted? Or is there more paperwork to come? How does it work?
No, there will be a legal contract with the Aus government to sign and you won't receive that for quite some time yet.
 

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curtz123

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Hi all, just would like some advice. I have been offered an undergraduate BMP and am planning to accept it. I am wanting to sit the gamsat in March this year and hopefully secure a CSP in a post grad med course (I have already completed a bachelor's degree). If i am successful, am I correct in my understanding that as long as withdraw the undergraduate BMP course before second year, there will be no consequences and I would be able to change courses.

I am basing this off information from point number 13.

Thank you all, I appreciate the help.
 

TKAO

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Hi all, just would like some advice. I have been offered an undergraduate BMP and am planning to accept it. I am wanting to sit the gamsat in March this year and hopefully secure a CSP in a post grad med course (I have already completed a bachelor's degree). If i am successful, am I correct in my understanding that as long as withdraw the undergraduate BMP course before second year, there will be no consequences and I would be able to change courses.

I am basing this off information from point number 13.

Thank you all, I appreciate the help.
As it reads, apparently so. I would however like to remind you and say that no one on MSO to my knowledge is a lawyer and does not have an intimate knowledge of the exact legal workings of this. It would be best to call them and present your point, or email them and get some written word back so that you have proof of whatever they tell you or record your call.
 

CristinaYang

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Hi curtz, from my understanding the info you have linked is regarding BMPs from 2015 and earlier. Since the policies regarding BMPs changed this year we can't rely on that info.
 

curtz123

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Hi curtz, from my understanding the info you have linked is regarding BMPs from 2015 and earlier. Since the policies regarding BMPs changed this year we can't rely on that info.
I believe it is under the title "Participants who joined the BMP Scheme in 2016 and future cohorts only"?
 

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curtz123

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As it reads, apparently so. I would however like to remind you and say that no one on MSO to my knowledge is a lawyer and does not have an intimate knowledge of the exact legal workings of this. It would be best to call them and present your point, or email them and get some written word back so that you have proof of whatever they tell you or record your call.
Thanks TKAO, that is a good idea.
 

Crow

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Hi all, just would like some advice. I have been offered an undergraduate BMP and am planning to accept it. I am wanting to sit the gamsat in March this year and hopefully secure a CSP in a post grad med course (I have already completed a bachelor's degree). If i am successful, am I correct in my understanding that as long as withdraw the undergraduate BMP course before second year, there will be no consequences and I would be able to change courses.

I am basing this off information from point number 13.

Thank you all, I appreciate the help.
Hmmm, I’d be careful in your interpretation there - it seems to mainly be aimed at those who are quitting medicine altogether, not leaving and then starting another medical degree. I’d suggest emailing the BMP scheme team (as suggested on that point) before making any key decisions from that interpretation.
 

Crow

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And is there anything wrong with Bonded?
There’s not at all, but we did have a rather in depth discussion on this topic the other evening, and I will add the major points brought up during said discussion to the 2020 and beyond BMP thread when I find the time.
 

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Crow

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And there you go, there inherently lies the problem.
The only valid reason that you should choose one over the other, is if you have some sort of financial/ restrictive implication or it wouldn't benefit your particular ambitions/ speciality as a doctor. I feel like now, you are just using this Bonded/ Unbonded placement as more of a status thing- when in fact both can be extremely beneficial. However, this is just unfortunately the nature of how medical schools are set up such as Griffith and UQ, where the unbonded/ bonded status is determined as an indication of your academic result. It shouldn't be used as a means of deciding which university you want to go to unless the above factors apply to you.
I think you’ve probably misinterpreted the point A1 is trying to make - I think it goes without saying that if you have two options, one with strings attached and the likelihood of impacting your future, and one with no strings attached, then the latter is the obvious choice if there aren’t any other factors involved in the decision.

Nobody is making out that BMPs are a “bad” thing, but it’s worth pointing out the implications that they might have for your career/life.
 

A1

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I feel like now, you are just using this Bonded/ Unbonded placement as more of a status thing- when in fact both can be extremely beneficial.
I don't think you've got the full picture. Please tell me what is beneficial with bonded that unbonded cannot get?

The simple matter of fact is if you are unbonded you can CHOOSE to do the equivalent of the RoS of the bonded. But not the other way around - if you are bonded you cannot choose NOT to do the RoS like unbonded.
 

A1

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And I am also assuming here, that as an Unbonded student- you would more than likely choose not to do the RoS. Please let me know if this isn't the case?
My point is unbonded can choose to do or not do an RoS. Bonded cannot choose, unless they choose to pay out their course's subsidies of close to $100K.

And for the average Med Student, may I ask how it would impact your future career?
If a bonded student chooses to serve 1-1.5 yrs of the RoS before specialist training, the time away from major teaching hospitals may have an impact on their getting in a training program.

Then when they serve the 1.5+ years of the RoS post-fellowship, I understand from Chinaski's explanation it may severely impact on their progressing in that specialty field.
 

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If a bonded student chooses to serve 1-1.5 yrs of the RoS before specialist training, the time away from major teaching hospitals may have an impact on their getting in a training program.

Then when they serve the 1.5+ years of the RoS post-fellowship, I understand from Chinaski's explanation it may severely impact on their progressing in that specialty field.
Yes, no I completely see how if you were looking at a particular specialty how it may not be advantageous.
 

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