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[2020 entry and beyond] Guide to Bonded Medical Places

LMG! said:
But did they give you any indication of whether you’d be tied to 2020 rules as per what @A1’s mate (apparently incorrectly) assumed or (currently unknown) 2023 rules?
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Oh true - no they did not. I would have to assume that it would be the 2023 rules.
 
is it possible to fulfil your BMP requirement if your full time job is in a metro hospital and go on locum every few weekends? would this actually count?
 
If you look at the legislation i don’t see why not really on the new contract (which no current doctor is on so i don’t know if any doctors complete their RoS this way - unlike jayson might of seen) but was previously ineligible on the old contract.

Bonded participants who have a 3 year return of service obligation

(2) A 3 year return of service obligation must be completed on a full-time basis, a part-time basis or a per-day basis.
Note: If the requirements of section 14 are met, the 3 year return of service obligation may be scaled.
(3) If a bonded participant has a 3 year return of service obligation, then no more than 18 months of work before the earlier of the following days can count towards their return of service obligation:
(a) the day a bonded participant becomes a fellow; or
(b) the day 12 years after the day on which the bonded participant completes their course of study in medicine.
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Bonded participants who have a 12 months return of service obligation (dotwingz note: this refers to the old agreement)
(4) A 12 months return of service obligation:
(a) must be completed on a full-time basis; and
(b) may be completed in a series of periods each of which is at least 10 consecutive weeks.
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Although I can see this issue in trying to return 3 years of full time work on a weekend only work basis. It will take you 7.5 years to return it at 2 days a week... and personally i don’t know many people who could do 7 days a week (5 full time at metro - 2 at rural) for 7.5 years, and neither a rural weekend only position that would be open for that long aswell.
 
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dotwingz said:
If you look at the legislation i don’t see why not really on the new contract (which no current doctor is on so i don’t know if any doctors complete their RoS this way - unlike jayson might of seen) but was previously ineligible on the old contract.



Although I can see this issue in trying to return 3 years of full time work on a weekend only work basis. It will take you 7.5 years to return it at 2 days a week... and personally i don’t know many people who could do 7 days a week (5 full time at metro - 2 at rural) for 7.5 years, and neither a rural weekend only position that would be open for that long aswell.
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you do have 18 years to complete it I guess and if you throw that onto an internship in a MM2-7 area that would also make it much easier
 
If you do the 18 months before fellowship youre still looking at 3.75 years at 2 days a week... it sounds less than ideal

edit: math
 
dotwingz said:
If you do the 18 months before fellowship youre still looking at 4.5 years at 2 days a week... it sounds less than ideal
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My mom is overseas trained Doctor, and got FRACGP fellowship from here. She had 10 year moratorium, We always go to Tasmania or QLD or Darwin for 6 weeks in the summer holidays on LOCUM which always I find very attractive and relaxing. That 6 weeks is equal to 12 weeks in terms of the moratorium.

First , we can 18 months in one go and then next 18 months we can do holiday locum in 10-15 years, pic is not so bleak.
 
sohnaeo said:
My mom is overseas trained Doctor, and got FRACGP fellowship from here. She had 10 year moratorium, We always go to Tasmania or QLD or Darwin for 6 weeks in the summer holidays on LOCUM which always I find very attractive and relaxing. That 6 weeks is equal to 12 weeks in terms of the moratorium.

First , we can 18 months in one go and then next 18 months we can do holiday locum in 10-15 years, pic is not so bleak.
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That’s a completely different (and more feasible, imo) approach than what was being discussed here: working 7 days a week (5 week days metro, 2 weekend days rural), every week, for ~4.5 years.
 
LMG! said:
That’s a completely different (and more feasible, imo) approach than what was being discussed here: working 7 days a week (5 week days metro, 2 weekend days rural), every week, for ~4.5 years.
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Absolutely, lot of international Drs do this to take their families to Locum holiday, flights/accomidation/car all paid by the employer. Stay right on the beach for 6-8 weeks and explore Australia while getting paid.
 
sohnaeo said:
My mom is overseas trained Doctor, and got FRACGP fellowship from here. She had 10 year moratorium, We always go to Tasmania or QLD or Darwin for 6 weeks in the summer holidays on LOCUM which always I find very attractive and relaxing. That 6 weeks is equal to 12 weeks in terms of the moratorium.

First , we can 18 months in one go and then next 18 months we can do holiday locum in 10-15 years, pic is not so bleak.
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Thats not exactly what were talking about here, but you bring up a good point, and a very feasible and realistic way of paying off a bond.

This works due a thing called scaling - which has the same rates for the moratorium and the bonded medical agreement

If someone has 18 months left on their bond agreement, if they work in a RA5 area they will only have to do 9 months of work - or 6 x 6 week periods. Which is very doable over the holiday periods. This imo is the best way to pay off your bond, but also your mothers aspirations as a GP makes it a whole lot more doable.

My family is also one in medicine, and we've done locum vacations before. Theyre quite enjoyable and a good way of seeing the country.

I would imagine a more 'specific' speciality would have a much harder time pulling something like this off which is kinda the true for the entire bonded scheme.
 
LMG! said:
That’s a completely different (and more feasible, imo) approach than what was being discussed here: working 7 days a week (5 week days metro, 2 weekend days rural), every week, for ~4.5 years.
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Isnt the ROS period 18 years? So you could theoretically do 7 days a week for a single week every month but the rest are normal weeks, which is a bit more bearable
 
JL538 said:
Isnt the ROS period 18 years? So you could theoretically do 7 days a week for a single week every month but the rest are normal weeks, which is a bit more bearable
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I would imagine a metro employer would find this arrangement less than ideal, sure this may work from a personal point of view, but without another doctor to jobshare your role in... its unlikely to ever come around.

Keep in mind one week a month for an 18 month RoS is still 6 years of this arrangement...

Also not to mention, the entire discussion of the last week was how the roads of the metro and rural specialist doctors diverge significantly - so its not just as easy to 'go out to the bush' and fulfill their bond obligation, youre going to be doing significantly different work, one you may not be comfortable, or competitive, to take up
 
sohnaeo said:
My mom is overseas trained Doctor, and got FRACGP fellowship from here. She had 10 year moratorium, We always go to Tasmania or QLD or Darwin for 6 weeks in the summer holidays on LOCUM which always I find very attractive and relaxing.
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So you go on summer holidays while your mum works? I can see how it would seem "attractive and relaxing" from your perspective...!
 
on the BMP websites they talk about different full-time and part time arrangements that are equivalent to full time work and usually use the unit of "weeks". do we just assume that 4 weeks is equivalent to a month even though its slightly shorter?
 
Hello, I'm sorry if this question has been answered before, but does anyone know how much it costs to get out of bonded at Adelaide University? Some people say that it costs around 150k, is that true?
 
Tomato said:
Where did you get the figure of 18k per year of medical school? The government pages show the figure was already over 22k in 2017.
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The government page linked in dotwingz ’s post says $17k for 2017, so I’d ask where you got the $22k figure from (eta: it may well be around that now, but the document pretty clearly states 2017 was $17k. It had increased $2k in the 4 years prior so maybe around $19ish now, but that document only went up to 2017).
 
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