It probably isn’t likely to change because the change to not being recognised only happened in the last year or so, I believe (at least, for UTAS and Newcastle). It was some arbitrary thing based effectively (if not openly) on Go8 status, IIRC.
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Choosing Between Universities and Offers
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It probably isn’t likely to change because the change to not being recognised only happened in the last year or so, I believe (at least, for UTAS and Newcastle). It was some arbitrary thing based effectively (if not openly) on Go8 status, IIRC.
Thank you all for the replies. I realise I should have clarified further on why I am on the fence.
Would the GO8 status have much of an effect as well (that is aside from practising in Singapore)?
I have heard about this, and it's part of my considerations for the opportunity for international working. Since Adelaide's program is an MD which places it as AQF 9, compared to JCU's MBBS which places it at AQF 7 (or 8 if I take the Honours program here), would I be disadvantaged in opportunities for international work or for getting into a graduate PhD in medicine later on (which I hear is beneficial to getting into a competitive speciality training program)?
Would the GO8 status have much of an effect as well (that is aside from practising in Singapore)?
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Realistically a PhD does very little to benefit you in terms of getting into speciality training schemes. I only know a few training schemes of specialities (mostly surgical so probably not too fussy on doctorates) ive taken a preliminary look into but often they only count one or two extra points in a CV which often only make up a small part of the actual criteria. The time is probably spent better doing something else if your only goal is to improve your chances at getting on a training scheme
I think you should do more than a "preliminary look" into "a few" schemes before making those kinds of general assertions! For many medical specialties, a PhD often can be the difference between getting the AT job over an ever-increasing field of competitive applicants.
Nevertheless, I would also point out that the true value of a PhD isn't always in terms of getting you onto a training programme, but actually getting you a job once you finish your training.
Hi guys,
I am from WA here, thinking long term - was just wondering if choosing a university to study away from home (Perth) will reduce my chances significantly to return here post-degree? What I mean by that is, finish degree and return the year after to do inter work at a Perth hospital? If so what specific factors are influencing this that I can personally work towards should I end up studying over east to increase the chances of returning and working back in Perth.
Kind regards,
I am from WA here, thinking long term - was just wondering if choosing a university to study away from home (Perth) will reduce my chances significantly to return here post-degree? What I mean by that is, finish degree and return the year after to do inter work at a Perth hospital? If so what specific factors are influencing this that I can personally work towards should I end up studying over east to increase the chances of returning and working back in Perth.
Kind regards,
If you go and study interstate it means that you would not be considered a Category 1 applicant for internship. I'm not sure which category you would be, but generally speaking most positions are filled by Category 1 students (domestic graduates within the state).
Choosing a medical school means choosing a location where you could see yourself happy to be for at least 1 year following graduation.
If you want to maximise your chances of working in WA, study medicine in WA.
I'm not too sure on specifics, but generally it seems most people end up staying for quite a few years following graduation. Also your return also depends on what you want to do afterwards, which I appreciate is something most people don't figure out until after medical school in the first.
At this stage I'd aim to get into UWA for medicine, and if not aim for a university in a state where you'd be happy to study plus spend a few years (if not more) following graduation.
That’s not how it works, I’m afraid. CSP and BMP grads in the same priority category will have equal chances at various hospitals. There’s nothing to gain from volunteering to have a BMP over a CSP.
Though, I imagine you won’t have too much trouble landing a rural WA internship in comparison to other states (there are stats available on what percentage of interns have historically been category 1, 2 and so on if you do some research). Keep in mind Curtin graduates will be added to your “competition” pool and those numbers won’t have been part of this data, so you’d have to take this into account. As per the advice above, ultimately if you choose to move interstate for medical school, you need to be willing to stay there for longer than just the medical school years.
WA gives priority 2 to WA Y12 students studying med interstate, one notch higher than other interstate graduates (but I think not many of these want to come to WA anyway). Up to now on average only 85% of WA medschool graduates take up WA internships, the rest return to their home states so there are 45-50 spots available to priority 2 then int'l graduates.
However by the time you graduate there will be ~100 Curtin graduates added to the pool. I don't know if the WA gov will provide additional 100 internships, or provide only 50 additional plus the mentioned 50 spots for Curtin. If the latter there might not be a spot even for priority 2.
Hey!
What advantages are there with regards to studying undergraduate medicine at JMP in comparison to Flinders University?
I'm currently studying at Flinders first year and I would only consider taking the UCAT this year rather than subsequent years so overall study time isn't increased.
I'm wondering whether or not to take this one-time opportunity in order to study at a different or preferable medicine university, I'm considering JMP atm. Location isn't a huge factor for me. LMK if you need any more information.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
H2.
What advantages are there with regards to studying undergraduate medicine at JMP in comparison to Flinders University?
I'm currently studying at Flinders first year and I would only consider taking the UCAT this year rather than subsequent years so overall study time isn't increased.
I'm wondering whether or not to take this one-time opportunity in order to study at a different or preferable medicine university, I'm considering JMP atm. Location isn't a huge factor for me. LMK if you need any more information.
Any input is greatly appreciated.
Kind regards,
H2.
The glaring difference is indeed location - you’d be guaranteed a NSW internship (and if things don’t change, a PGY2 job) if you went with JMP, or an SA internship if you stick with Flinders. I think the remaining factor is where you’d prefer to live for the next 5 years - Adelaide or Newcastle/Armidale.
Thanks Crow!
- Why is it that you are guranteed a PGY2 job if you study at JMP? What is the chance of getting such a job if you study at Flinders?
- Is an SA internship or NSW internship overall preferable?
- I'm confused regarding the location of the JMP program? Do some students do it in armidale, some in newcastle?
- Is the course something to consider? Are opportunities roughly the same for both courses?
Currently NSW graduates are offered two year contracts, though there’s no guarantee that this will be the case when you graduate. SA, like most states, currently only offers jobs for internship, then you’ll need to reapply for jobs after that.
Personal preference - both will provide you with the same core competencies.
Yes, the preclinical cohort is split up into 60 at Armidale and 110 at Newcastle. I believe for clinical years you can be placed at any of the JMP-affiliated hospitals but you’d have to confirm that.
To the best of my knowledge, yes. I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to by “opportunities” but generally these are what the student makes of them rather than what’s offered specifically by the university in question. Perhaps JMP has the slight edge given you’re studying “medicine” for 5 years at JMP instead of 4 at Flinders, but that wouldn’t be a major consideration for me personally.
1. intern contracts are for two years in NSW, and so cover PGY1 and PGY2.
2. either are fine.
3. Yes, lol! JMP is your preference but you didn’t know it was taught over two locations? You might want to do some more research as that’s a pretty fundamental component of the program and is outside your ability to choose (you are allocated).
4. both are accredited courses
What decides whethe
Whar decides whether you end up in Armidale or Newcastle? Do they randomly allocate students?
You can allocate a preference, but ultimately it’s based on your interview performance. Newcastle is always WAY over-subscribed and people end up at Armidale who would rather not be there (initially - maybe they come to love it?).
Addit by Crow: we have MANY threads filled with all of this information, as well as threads about both the JMP and Flinders courses written by current and past students. Strongly recommend you read those - they’re there for your benefit!
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Awesome, thanks guys
. Where can I find these threads?
