[Undergrad] EAS/SCATS/UES/SEAS General Discussion and Enquiries

[Crow]

how does the Monash Guarantee affect the chance of getting an interview and offer?

From what I recall, Monash Guarantee applicants are placed into a separate quota to the other applicants which this has lower requirements. Lear can confirm. It also lowers the requirements for an interview but your scores would land you an interview without Monash Guarantee. With your score combination and Monash Guarantee I’d imagine you won’t need to do much more than show up for the interview and not say anything outrageous and you’ll be in with a very, very good chance of a place offer.

 

[REGULAR JOE]

When I just realised an hour ago that I'm eligible for E12.....and the form's due on Monday....

Is anyone aware of when the deadline for UES applications is?

Also, how does the Monash Guarantee affect the chance of getting an interview and offer?

If you mean E12 for Uni of Sydney, I don't think the direct pathway medicine course is eligible. It's on their website.

 

[Lear]

Also, how does the Monash Guarantee affect the chance of getting an interview and offer?

Monash - Monash Medicine: Monash Guarantee

There seems to be a lot of info on rural students getting in but what about low SES students? Does anyone know anything about that? 1. Does anyone have any info on the no of places reserved for monash guarantee students for med? and the scores that they got? (mso collates only info on normal...

medstudentsonline.com.au

Also it’s not necessarily a special quota. Applicants are in the same pool for offers. With the interviews you used to be simply guaranteed one if you hit a certain benchmark with ATAR and UMAT (not sure how this will work this year). With offers, you only have a higher selection rank when competing with others. You’re still in the same pool. The special quota only exists for Dean’s Rural List students iirc.

 

[worldno8]

If you mean E12 for Uni of Sydney, I don't think the direct pathway medicine course is eligible. It's on their website.

https://sydney.edu.au/content/dam/corporate/documents/study/study-options/admission-pathways/e12-courses-available.pdf

Double degree medicine appears as an eligible course here though?

 

[Crow]

If you mean E12 for Uni of Sydney, I don't think the direct pathway medicine course is eligible. It's on their website.

The double degree medicine pathway is eligible. For those without E12, a 99.95 ATAR is required to gain an interview. For those with E12, this drops to 99.5.

 

[REGULAR JOE]

The double degree medicine pathway is eligible. For those without E12, a 99.95 ATAR is required to gain an interview. For those with E12, this drops to 99.5.

Oh! I'm sorry, I must have mistaken it woth another such scheme at a different university

 

[A1]

For UNSW access scheme, does everyone with a successful EAS application gain bonus points to their ATAR (while all applicants remain in the same pool), or is it as other people have suggested, that there will be an EAS pool for people that are experiencing the highest levels of disadvantage (possibly people with a combination of 2+ adjustment factors) and those people are the only ones that receive bonus points (this doesn’t seem as fair as the scenario above). And, is there any written evidence of how EAS is used for UNSW med, as I couldn’t find any information about this on the UNSW website.

We believe 2-3 years ago UNSW had a small separate pool for applicants with EAS. From last year EAS gets various amounts of adjustment to their ATARs then stay in the main pool. We speculated this was why there was a noticeable jump in the ATAR+UMAT cutoffs for interview last year.

Smelly Boy posted some info earlier of UNSW's explanation how EAS was calculated for him.

 

[zx72ksq8o]

The disadvantage school category for EAS has been replaced by the low-SES residential address thing & the financial hardship category still exists separately to this. I think that the low-SES address will probably be +3 ATAR and financial hardship will remain at +1 ATAR. I can’t say for 100% certainty since UNSW medicine and UAC could do whatever they want but I think these are the best guesses since this is how UNSW told me they assign bonus points for the categories of disadvantaged school (replaced by the low-SES residential address bonus) & financial hardship.

Hi smelly boy, what originally was S01E (the thing that SEIFA is replacing)? Also, just my guess, but do you reckon that if the original S01E scheme gave +3 points then SEIFA might give a bit less (+2 idk) since it's open to way more people now ("regardless of the school they attend")?

 

[Smelly Boy]

Hi smelly boy, what originally was S01E (the thing that SEIFA is replacing)? Also, just my guess, but do you reckon that if the original S01E scheme gave +3 points then SEIFA might give a bit less (+2 idk) since it's open to way more people now ("regardless of the school they attend")?

S01E was the code for disadvantaged school attendance.

I think (based on absolutely no statistics) more people will be eligible for this new bonus (for the purposes of applying to medicine) as not many people from “real” disadvantaged schools (except for those that went to private schools that happened to be located in a disadvantaged area) get over a 96.00 ATAR AND want to apply to medicine. My school, for example, has never produced a doctor for as long as my teacher who has been there for 25 years can remember.

There are definitely lots of people that live in areas considered disadvantaged but are not themselves disadvantaged. Every single disadvantaged suburb I know that isn’t far West Sydney (after blacktown) has a “rich” side to it & one side that has those that are disadvantaged. There’s a good chance that those living on the rich sides can now enjoy this new benefit for medicine entry (those from rich sides that went to disadvantaged schools will enjoy the same thing they were enjoying before).

I’m not sure if the new bonus will be +2 ATAR. We will have to wait until someone is brave enough to email the UNSW SCATS team (those that process special consideration for students applying to UNSW) about this & CC UNSW Medicine to find out.

 

[zx72ksq8o]

I agree. At the end of the day, UAC has all our addresses tho so I guess with maps etc. they can sort out the more disadvantaged from the less from there

If you had to guess ... do you think that they would allocate more points in the SEIFA group to people who live in the bottom 5% than the people who live in the top 5% (aka bottom 25% of the population)?

So if they used to allocate 3 points for S01E, then they might allocate anywhere between 1-3 points for SEIFA then with the points increasing with the disadvantage rating?? Idk just guessing

 

[Retired Member]

S01E was the code for disadvantaged school attendance.

I think (based on absolutely no statistics) more people will be eligible for this new bonus (for the purposes of applying to medicine) as not many people from “real” disadvantaged schools (except for those that went to private schools that happened to be located in a disadvantaged area) get over a 96.00 ATAR AND want to apply to medicine. My school, for example, has never produced a doctor for as long as my teacher who has been there for 25 years can remember.

There are definitely lots of people that live in areas considered disadvantaged but are not themselves disadvantaged. Every single disadvantaged suburb I know that isn’t far West Sydney (after blacktown) has a “rich” side to it & one side that has those that are disadvantaged. There’s a good chance that those living on the rich sides can now enjoy this new benefit for medicine entry (those from rich sides that went to disadvantaged schools will enjoy the same thing they were enjoying before).

I’m not sure if the new bonus will be +2 ATAR. We will have to wait until someone is brave enough to email the UNSW SCATS team (those that process special consideration for students applying to UNSW) about this & CC UNSW Medicine to find out.

 

[Lantern123]

Hey guys
also just wanted to know, does special consideration get considered before or after medical interviews, i still have not sent my EAS in am i screwed :/

sorry before or after medical interview invites get sent

 

[A1]

Hey guys
also just wanted to know, does special consideration get considered before or after medical interviews, i still have not sent my EAS in am i screwed :/

sorry before or after medical interview invites get sent

If you hurry up you won't miss anything. The three schools releasing their invites soon JMP WSU & Adelaide it's all based on UCAT which is not EAS-adjusted so won't affect you.

 

[Lantern123]

If you hurry up you won't miss anything. The three schools releasing their invites soon JMP WSU & Adelaide it's all based on UCAT which is not EAS-adjusted.

oh ok thanks heaps i just had a heart attack!
My UCAT score was about 81st percentile so if those are only based on ucat guess i have no shot
thankyou!!

 

[Smelly Boy]

I agree. At the end of the day, UAC has all our addresses tho so I guess with maps etc. they can sort out the more disadvantaged from the less from there

If you had to guess ... do you think that they would allocate more points in the SEIFA group to people who live in the bottom 5% than the people who live in the top 5% (aka bottom 25% of the population)?

So if they used to allocate 3 points for S01E, then they might allocate anywhere between 1-3 points for SEIFA then with the points increasing with the disadvantage rating?? Idk just guessing

Sorry I missed this message!

This is an interesting theory and would make sense if UAC did this. All I can say is that they might do this . The way it has been applied in the past suggests that UAC will probably give the same bonus to everyone living in a disadvantaged area just as they did for disadvantaged schools.

The way they worded it seems as though it’s a “you’re eligible/ineligible’ bonus rather than a ‘spectrum’ bonus where they give more/less depending on the severity of condition. On the website it reads:
“After you’ve applied for undergraduate admission through UAC, we will automatically generate an electronic EAS application for you (ie you don’t have to submit an application) if the residential address you entered in your UAC undergraduate application is identified by the Australian Bureau of Statistics as being in the lowest 30% of socio-economic disadvantage in Australia”

 

[jasonjason1234]

Does anyone have any idea what an approximate safe minimum atar would be to get boosted to 99.95 for financial disadvantage?

 

[Smelly Boy]

Does anyone have any idea what an approximate safe minimum atar would be to get boosted to 99.95 for financial disadvantage?

Financial disadvantage at UNSW gives you +1 ATAR if you experienced it during high school but not if you experienced it as a student in tertiary education, according to the people that assign bonus points to special consideration at UNSW. Not sure about other unis

 

[jasonjason1234]

Sorry forgot to mention that it was for flinders !

 

[FunTimes]

Sorry forgot to mention that it was for flinders !

Flinders will give you a flat +5 university aggregate score (for ANY eligible disadvantage). It won't exactly equate to 5 bonus ATAR points but more like +3 ATAR points according to this table:

ATAR – SATAC

The Australian Tertiary Admission Rank (ATAR) is a rank given to secondary school students on a range from 0 to 99.95. SATAC calculates the ATAR for SACE and NTCET students.

www.satac.edu.au

Scroll to the bottom and click on the 2018 link.

 

[jasonjason1234]

Flinders will give you a flat +5 aggregate score (for ANY eligible disadvantage). It won't exactly equate to 5 bonus ATAR points but more like +3 ATAR points according to this table:

ATAR – SATAC

The Australian Tertiary Admission Rank (ATAR) is a rank given to secondary school students on a range from 0 to 99.95. SATAC calculates the ATAR for SACE and NTCET students.

www.satac.edu.au

Scroll to the bottom and click on the 2018 link.

Thank you!