Flinders Flinders Medicine: Provisional Entry General Discussion

[kkkk]

Last two years Flinders made around 65 provisional offers. (Was published in an Adelaide newspaper off SATAC data, we could even see the student names who got offers).
But actual enrolments were only in the 30s. Many jumped ship to Adelaide or stay in their home state.

so are 65 first round offers made or just in total?

 

[A1]

so are 65 first round offers made or just in total?

Iirc almost all of Flinders provisional offers come in the first round and they deliberately overoffer to account for expected declines. Only when the declines exceed their estimate they make a few more 2nd-round or top-up offers.

I remember reading somewhere their self-set quota for provisionals is around 30 places.

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[jinjja21]

I was looking at the collated data for med entry offers from 2018 and I realised that the UCAT cutoff for flinders was significantly higher this year (2021 entry) compared to the others. I also read somewhere this thread that around 1000 more people applied compared to other years?

I'm assuming this is mainly due to covid and many SA students remaining in SA leading to a reduction in the number of offer declines OR more people being eligible for UES from covid - what do guys think is more likely? If it is the latter, I feel that the UCAT cutoff will also be higher this year...

Do you guys think that this pattern (high applicant numbers -> increased UCAT cutoff) will be repeated this year?

 

[ucatboy]

I was looking at the collated data for med entry offers from 2018 and I realised that the UCAT cutoff for flinders was significantly higher this year (2021 entry) compared to the others. I also read somewhere this thread that around 1000 more people applied compared to other years?

I'm assuming this is mainly due to covid and many SA students remaining in SA leading to a reduction in the number of offer declines OR more people being eligible for UES from covid - what do guys think is more likely? If it is the latter, I feel that the UCAT cutoff will also be higher this year...

Do you guys think that this pattern (high applicant numbers -> increased UCAT cutoff) will be repeated this year?

In my experience medicine cutoffs are like supermarket prices, they only go up provided nothing unusual happens (e.g. Queensland's half-size Year 12 cohort in 2019 temporarily lowering UQ cutoffs that year). This is particularly true for Flinders, whose entry requirements have roughly progressed like so:

Pre-2018
99.95: ~50%ile+ needed
99.90: ~70%ile+ needed
99.85: ~90%ile+ needed

2018
99.95: ~60%ile+ needed
99.90: ~80%ile+ needed
99.85: unknown, high 90s possibly = offer

2019
99.95: ~80%ile+ needed
99.90: ~99.8%ile+ (wtf) needed
99.85: no hope

2020
99.95: ~85%ile+ needed
99.90: no hope
99.85: no hope

Both of the reasons you mentioned will likely impact cutoffs, but the only hope is that SATAC is clamping down on abuse of its UES system, namely attending a disadvantaged school in Year 13 to get those sweet equity points whilst also preserving your ATAR from the year before. Fingers crossed.

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

In my experience medicine cutoffs are like supermarket prices, they only go up provided nothing unusual happens (e.g. Queensland's half-size Year 12 cohort in 2019 temporarily lowering UQ cutoffs that year). This is particularly true for Flinders, whose entry requirements have roughly progressed like so:

Pre-2018
99.95: ~50%ile+ needed
99.90: ~70%ile+ needed
99.85: ~90%ile+ needed

2018
99.95: ~60%ile+ needed
99.90: ~80%ile+ needed
99.85: unknown, high 90s possibly = offer

2019
99.95: ~80%ile+ needed
99.90: ~99.8%ile+ (wtf) needed
99.85: no hope

2020
99.95: ~85%ile+ needed
99.90: no hope
99.85: no hope

Both of the reasons you mentioned will likely impact cutoffs, but the only hope is that SATAC is clamping down on abuse of its UES system, namely attending a disadvantaged school in Year 13 to get those sweet equity points whilst also preserving your ATAR from the year before. Fingers crossed.

It feels like the vast majority of my cohort are made up of these people who take advantage of the UES system so I expect there to be quite a change in the class for future years.

I'm in the process of asking around for UCAT scores and I'm currently still the lowest in my year. I have a friend with a 91st percentile who only received a second round offer so that's quite interesting.

Edit: Lowest is around ~2800 for 2021 entry I believe as ucatboy predicted. The person who received this offer had already started year 13 so this was quite late.

 

[kkkk]

Both of the reasons you mentioned will likely impact cutoffs, but the only hope is that SATAC is clamping down on abuse of its UES system, namely attending a disadvantaged school in Year 13 to get those sweet equity points whilst also preserving your ATAR from the year before. Fingers crossed.

didnt they already make it so that you couldnt do that any more for 2022 admissions?

It feels like the vast majority of my cohort are made up of these people who take advantage of the UES system so I expect there to be quite a change in the class for future years.

I'm in the process of asking around for UCAT scores and I'm currently still the lowest in my year. I have a friend with a 91st percentile who only received a second round offer so that's quite interesting.

Edit: Lowest is around 2840 for 2021 entry I believe as ucatboy predicted. The person who received this offer had already started year 13 so this was quite late.

can you really get offers when you have already started another course?

 

[Fannnnnnn666]

can you really get offers when you have already started another course?

Yes. you can get still get offers even after enrolling in another University.

91st percentile who only received a second round offer

Yes, me too haha

 

[A1]

It feels like the vast majority of my cohort are made up of these people who take advantage of the UES system

I had thought so too since most raw 99.95s likely get another offer somewhere.

can you really get offers when you have already started another course?

Yep sure can. An MSO member already started a week at Flinders then got an Adelaide top-up offer, she jumped ship to Adelaide.

 

[jinjja21]

It feels like the vast majority of my cohort are made up of these people who take advantage of the UES system so I expect there to be quite a change in the class for future years.

Due to this new policy
"If you try to improve your ATAR at a school that is eligible under this scheme for equity adjustments after already achieving an ATAR at a non-qualifying school, you will not be eligible for school-based adjustments."

would you assume that the number of people receiving bonus points would decrease this year for flinders?

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

Due to this new policy
"If you try to improve your ATAR at a school that is eligible under this scheme for equity adjustments after already achieving an ATAR at a non-qualifying school, you will not be eligible for school-based adjustments."

would you assume that the number of people receiving bonus points would decrease this year for flinders?

I don’t think it’ll make any major difference it just changes the type not number of UES applicants receiving an offer. I feel those who did the school trick are mostly SA based and any dip will be compensated by Sydney or Melbourne issues this year. That being said, nothing’s definitive so it’s probably best just to wait.

 

[kkkk]

I don’t think it’ll make any major difference it just changes the type not number of UES applicants receiving an offer. I feel those who did the school trick are mostly SA based and any dip will be compensated by Sydney or Melbourne issues this year. That being said, nothing’s definitive so it’s probably best just to wait.

Didnt last year's cohort also have these types of UES applicants (COVID affected) as well cause COVID was a thing last year too or did they only introduce those UES disadvantages this year?

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

Didnt last year's cohort also have these types of UES applicants (COVID affected) as well cause COVID was a thing last year too or did they only introduce those UES disadvantages this year?

UES isn't just a COVID adjustment. It stands for University Equity Adjustment which can be gained by going to a low Socio-economic school or I think by having parents in a lower financial position. It's applied for a while now I think but more people got it last year due to economic disruption from COVID

 

[kkkk]

UES isn't just a COVID adjustment. It stands for University Equity Adjustment which can be gained by going to a low Socio-economic school or I think by having parents in a lower financial position. It's applied for a while now I think but more people got it last year due to economic disruption from COVID

Oh yeh i know what UES is i was just saying that like COVID related disadvantages were a thing last year as well, and since last year also had the school trick way as well, there would most likely be more people who were successful in obtaining UES points last year than this year and so it is probable that less people would get the UES adjustment. Unless im missing anything?

 

[ucatboy]

Oh yeh i know what UES is i was just saying that like COVID related disadvantages were a thing last year as well, and since last year also had the school trick way as well, there would most likely be more people who were successful in obtaining UES points last year than this year and so it is probable that less people would get the UES adjustment. Unless im missing anything?

Dunno, Victoria and NSW have been hit pretty by COVID hard this year, esp. the latter.

 

[LeSpicyGinger]

Oh yeh i know what UES is i was just saying that like COVID related disadvantages were a thing last year as well, and since last year also had the school trick way as well, there would most likely be more people who were successful in obtaining UES points last year than this year and so it is probable that less people would get the UES adjustment. Unless im missing anything?

Alright, I see my bad. According to this forum, Flinders received a large influx of applicants last year due to COVID disruptions which was against the norm. I feel like those who abuse the UES system only make up a small proportion of applicants (we have a fair few interstates) even if they are more represented in my cohort currently so I expect it to make no major difference to cutoffs.

That's what I was trying to say

 

[Emerald2002]

It feels like the vast majority of my cohort are made up of these people who take advantage of the UES system so I expect there to be quite a change in the class for future years.

I'm in the process of asking around for UCAT scores and I'm currently still the lowest in my year. I have a friend with a 91st percentile who only received a second round offer so that's quite interesting.

Edit: Lowest is around ~2800 for 2021 entry I believe as ucatboy predicted. The person who received this offer had already started year 13 so this was quite late.

Weird that it went down that low but yet I know someone who did not receive an offer with that score

 

[SmoothCriminal]

Hi, my SATAC application for Flinders says 'not currently eligible for consideration'. Could the above study be the reason for this?

 

[Fannnnnnn666]

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Hi, my SATAC application for Flinders says 'not currently eligible for consideration'. Could the above study be the reason for this?

I think Flinders doesn’t consider applicants with a tertiary study record.

 

[SmoothCriminal]

I think Flinders doesn’t consider applicants with a tertiary study record.

But this was only like a university-level course that I did last year in grade 11. Would this be considered tertiary studies?

 

[Fannnnnnn666]

But this was only like a university-level course that I did last year in grade 11. Would this be considered tertiary studies?

Ohhh if that is the case you should be fine!
Ik Flinders accepts Uni head start programs from UAdel, but it's better to call them up and double check.