General Medicine Entry Discussion and Advice Requests

[A1]

Does anyone else get overwhelmed with trying to assess what your offer chances are once in the interview stage. My stats are 2450 ucat and 99.90 atar (gap year) and so for local I should be in a good spot yes? Provided the interview is ok?

I'm from SA. But I did apply to UNSW

I assume being from SA you didn't get interviews from UQ, WSU, JMP, UWA. Not sure about JCU & Curtin.

That leaves, with 99.90 97%ile :
- 100% chance for Griffith Nathan/GC or USC
- I'd rate you about 70% offer chances (i.e. your interview score better than bottom 30%) for Adelaide, UNSW, Monash. Good luck.

 

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[A1]

Would they be in a better position?

I'd say your friend has same same chance for UWA. With similar to your 99.90 97%ile his ATAR UCAT are (relative to the pool) stronger than yours to UNSW/Monash, but UWA interview counts 50% instead of 33% so balances out.

 

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[Arcadia]

UWA seems to have required a higher UCAT. They got an interview there. They also require the 98 which I guess they can't know about unless you are like my friend - with a known atar.

Would they be in a better position?

From what I know the local cutoff was 86th percentile. So a 97th ucat would be in the top 1/3 of applicants. Also UWA doesn't look at the predicted for invites they interview everyone who meets the cutoff for their quota - broadway/rural/standard

 

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[Arcadia]

Do you think that makes UWA interviews a better shot from a numbers game? Assuming that maybe some of the UCAT scorers do not reach the 98 ATAR cut off?

Yep ik a few people who didn't get place offers for not meeting the ATAR minimum of 98.

 

[Bruke]

Hey guys,
I have a 40.75 IB / 97.05 ATAR and 96th percentile UCAT. I am from SA and have no UES, no rurality, not a First Nations person, and in general not eligible for any applicable bonuses. What are my chances at medicine/dentistry at Adelaide?

Note: my ATAR have good chances of rising to 98+ if remarking goes well.

 

[Zeina]

would you guys say the medical program at JCU is better or at Griffith the provisional entry? in terms of like teaching, placements, support etc

 

[Arcadia]

would you guys say the medical program at JCU is better or at Griffith the provisional entry? in terms of like teaching, placements, support etc

JCU is not provisional a lot of your cohort will be the same age when you enter the course. Whereas Griffith MD1 you join with the postgrad students who got in using GAMSAT. That's all I can comment on for now because I'm not a med student at either university

 

[Vanish]

Hi Guys ,
ATAR 97.55, ucat-2100. VIC student with DRL
Offered interviews from UNSW, UQ, JCU, Monash, JMP . Completed all the interviews.
Got offered for biomedical science Monash which was my last preference with vtac .
Awaiting for round 1 Monash direct entry offers on 13 th of Jan & others as well.
Closing date for biomedical science Monash will be on 6th of January.
What is best for me to do at this stage ?
If I accept biomed now , if that’s going to affect the chance of my direct entry medicine- Monash which was my first preference ? Can I cancel/ reject it until I check all the rounds in January or better not accept biomed -Monash now & wait for medicine offers ? Please do guide me . Thanks in advance

 

[A1]

If I accept biomed now , if that’s going to affect the chance of my direct entry medicine- Monash which was my first preference ? Can I cancel/ reject it until I check all the rounds in January or better not accept biomed -Monash now & wait for medicine offers ? Please do guide me . Thanks in advance

This happens every year so nothing peculiar.

Accept the monash biomed offer then move it to (or leave it at) bottom pref. You remain in contention for all the higher prefs. If a new offer is received you cancel the previous one.

An extra note just in case. Sometimes accepting an offer also requires you to enrol, if so remember to withdraw the enrolment as well.

 

[Lucy912]

This happens every year so nothing peculiar.

Accept the monash biomed offer then move it to (or leave it at) bottom pref. You remain in contention for all the higher prefs. If a new offer is received you cancel the previous one.

An extra note just in case. Sometimes accepting an offer also requires you to enrol, if so remember to withdraw the enrolment as well.

Hey A1, I was wondering if I could message you about curtin medicine admissions and their formula for final rankings after interviews.

 

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Hey A1, I was wondering if I could message you about curtin medicine admissions and their formula for final rankings after interviews.

Do you mean how they actually rank interview performance? Noone knows that. And on ranking formula - its 40/40/20. Interview/ATAR/UCAT.

 

[Lucy912]

Do you mean how they actually rank interview performance? Noone knows that. And on ranking formula - its 40/40/20. Interview/ATAR/UCAT.

I meant about how they use atar versus ucat in final rankings, I saw on 2021 post by A1 that they dont convert atar scores into z scores and percentiles making higher atars pretty much useless compared to a high ucat, and if thats the case I think its pretty unfair. I did get an interview and it went very well. I got 4th quartile casper, 99.70 yr 11 predicted but 70-80%ile ucat score. Final atar was 99.85. One of my friends got an offer with a 2450 ucat and a 99.05 atar with a mid interview (according to her and ofc subjective). Is this all adding up?

 

[Deleted member 55240]

Ultimately the issue is you can't know about the interview - people can think they did badly when they didn't and people can think it went well _when it didn't. Interviews are very very subjective. And you may have got a really good Casper score which would bump you up the ranking for interview. If your UCAT was below 80% then Casper must have helped as that is quite low. Unfortunately Casper drops out when it comes to offers - first round ones anyway

 

[A1]

I saw on 2021 post by A1 that they dont convert atar scores into z scores and percentiles making higher atars pretty much useless compared to a high ucat

In the formula Curtin said they used in 2021, a 99.95 is just 1 percent (in numeric value) better than a 99.0.

The counterpart 1 percent numeric value of UCAT's 2700 is 27 marks.
IOW for Curtin, even with UCAT less weighted, 1 ATAR is worth only 1.5-2 UCAT %iles. (At other schools like UNSW 1 ATAR is worth about 10 UCAT %iles).

I wrote to alert Curtin to this "unjust" but they never responded. So I don't know what kind of magic maths Curtin is now using.

 

[Lucy912]

In the formula Curtin said they used in 2021, a 99.95 is just 1 percent (in numeric value) better than a 99.0.

The counterpart 1 percent numeric value of UCAT's 2700 is 27 marks.
IOW for Curtin, even with UCAT less weighted, 1 ATAR is worth only 1.5-2 UCAT %iles. (At other schools like UNSW 1 ATAR is worth about 10 UCAT %iles).

I wrote to alert Curtin to this "unjust" but they never responded. So I don't know what kind of magic maths Curtin is now using.

As a student, is there anything I can do to challenge this or find out about their current formula? I had a talk with the admissions person explaining my concerns, and he ended up hinting to the fact that my interview performance was one of the strongest amongst everyone, however despite this my ranking was still outside the top ppl for first round offers.

 

[A1]

As a student, is there anything I can do to challenge this or find out about their current formula?

I can only give you an example of the event in 2019. Two applicants employed a lawyer to submit a challenge to Curtin:

"Our clients assert that your office made numerial calculation errors in determining their combined scores and suitability for offer.
(Illustrations of ATAR + UMAT combined scores)
This numerical error has occurred because the notional ATAR and the UMAT are on different statistical scales."

Curtin's reply



Note that although this appeal was about not getting an interview, its key point was on the combining method for ATAR+UMAT that's also relevant to place offer. I don't know how you can appeal without knowing the current formula/method Curtin uses.

(By the way this applicant got a belated interview and is now a doctor at the same hospital as me).

 

[Darkmist]

Hello,
Would anyone know the interview and offer split for UNSW Medicine Round 1 and 2? Would it be easier to get an offer round 1 or 2? Thanks