International Students: General Medicine Entry

[kami17]

Was the interview done after your ISAT?

Yes. I took ISAT on the 25th of January.

 

[Vassau]

Yes. I took ISAT on the 25th of January.

Do you have any advice for the ISAT? I'm doing it soon and I'm not sure what materials are good enough to revise it. I am currently doing GAMSAT section 1 and BMAT problem solving as revision.

 

[kami17]

Do you have any advice for the ISAT? I'm doing it soon and I'm not sure what materials are good enough to revise it. I am currently doing GAMSAT section 1 and BMAT problem solving as revision.

I believe UKCAT practice problems might also be helpful although it's still quite different from ISAT problems. My only advice for the ISAT would be to not spend too much time on one problem. Good luck with ISAT!!

 

[Vassau]

I believe UKCAT practice problems might also be helpful although it's still quite different from ISAT problems. My only advice for the ISAT would be to not spend too much time on one problem. Good luck with ISAT!!

Would you say the ISAT is more difficult than the UCAT?

 

[kami17]

Would you say the ISAT is more difficult than the UCAT?

I think UCAT is a bit more challenging in terms of the time given because from what I know, you're only given a short amount of time for a section. As for ISAT, I personally think the questions are a tiny bit more mind-boggling. All in all, I wouldn't say one is more difficult than the other since they're both challenging in their own ways.

 

[Vassau]

I think UCAT is a bit more challenging in terms of the time given because from what I know, you're only given a short amount of time for a section. As for ISAT, I personally think the questions are a tiny bit more mind-boggling. All in all, I wouldn't say one is more difficult than the other since they're both challenging in their own ways.

I see, I’m just worried because I did some GAMSAT section 1(made by same company that created ISAT) and it’s really hard, haha.

 

[kami17]

I see, I’m just worried because I did some GAMSAT section 1(made by same company that created ISAT) and it’s really hard, haha.

Don't worry too much. I'm sure you'll do great!

 

[Navid9675]

Firstly, have a read through this: The welcome guide!

Then I suggest you start by looking through the forum sub-headings and having a read through recent posts in the threads related to your questions. You’ll probably find some of them have been asked and answered already: Med Students Online

If your question hasn’t already been answered, you can ask it yourself in the appropriate thread.

Thank you for your information
But I think that This website is still confusing for me. I don't know this website and discord How do they work? Could you help me? ( I'm looking for a dual degree MD/Ph.D. program in Aus and NZ).
Is there here anyone that knows or can ask my questions at the Universities of Monash and Otago and Queensland and ANU?
I'm interested in studying dual degree MD/Ph.D. program. I have different questions,
About a month later, I will graduate with a bachelor's degree in medical laboratory sciences, in Iran.
In my bachelor's program, I studied Medical Microbiology, Immunology, Biochemistry, Hematology, Anatomy, etc and I have internships for diagnostic laboratories in hospitals.
I think that My bachelor's studies have the most similarities to BMed(Hons) studies.
If I would be apply for a Master's or Ph.D. program in one of the Medical Sciences, after that, Can I apply for a transfer to a dual degree MD/PhD program?
Sincerely

 

[A1]

If I would be apply for a Master's or Ph.D. program in one of the Medical Sciences, after that, Can I apply for a transfer to a dual degree MD/PhD program?

As an international student you can use your Bachelor degree as the basis to apply for entry to an MD school.
You can then consider doing combined MD/PhD afterwards (although is there really a need for it?)

I don't see an advantage in trying to get into a non-medicine Masters or PhD then transfer to MD. There's no such "free" transfer available.

Try google Monash/UQ/ANU medicine check out the entry criteria for international students, that should give the preliminary info then we can help with more specific questions.

 

[Navid9675]

As an international student you can use your Bachelor degree as the basis to apply for entry to an MD school.
You can then consider doing combined MD/PhD afterwards (although is there really a need for it?)

I don't see an advantage in trying to get into a non-medicine Masters or PhD then transfer to MD. There's no such "free" transfer available.

Try google Monash/UQ/ANU medicine check out the entry criteria for international students, that should give the preliminary info then we can help with more specific questions.

Thank you for your information
I asked before from universities such as Monash, Otago.
Dr.Megan Wallace, at Monash, said me by email that Medical students should have BMed(Hons) degree before applying for the MD/Ph.D. program.
(You may know that BMed(Hons) is a bachelor's degree)
Is there a pre-Master's level or Master's level entrance for the combined MD/Ph.D. program at these universities?
( unfortunately, Dr.Magan Wallace said to me by email that she doesn't know my question and I couldn't find yet a suitable person on the Monash website that knows my question, I'm writing thousands of miles far from Australia and New Zealand!)
Is there anyone that can ask my questions at Monash and Otago, or know my questions, thanks.

 

[A1]

I asked before from universities such as Monash, Otago.
Dr.Megan Wallace, at Monash, said me by email that Medical students should have BMed(Hons) degree before applying for the MD/Ph.D. program.

I've just realised what the problem is. Monash is a med school that sets its own rule to accept only school-leaver applicants. It does have a pseudo "graduate-entry" (students skip into 2nd year of its 5-year program) but it's only for Monash Bachelor graduates. So if you want to do Monash medicine you need to enrol in Monash BMed(Hons) first despite already completed one at home. Other graduate-entry schools don't have these rules. (Note: See post below re. Monash)

Example UQ (make sure you change at top of page to international student)
> Doctor of Medicine - Future Students - The University of Queensland

Have a read of this^ see if it makes sense to you. You might also want to check out other graduate-entry schools like ANU, Griffith, Flinders, USyd, Macquarie, UMelb, UWA, Wollongong, Deakin. I'm not sure if they all have places for int'l students but worth checking.

Also may I suggest you focus on this MD entry first, forget about MD/PhD for now.

 

[A1]

I asked before from universities such as Monash, Otago.
Dr.Megan Wallace, at Monash, said me by email that Medical students should have BMed(Hons) degree before applying for the MD/Ph.D. program.

My apology, Monash does have a graduate-entry pathway for international students without requiring them to do a Monash Bachelor first. I will edit the post above to reflect.

> Admissions requirements - International
"International students interested in Graduate Entry Medicine at Monash must have completed or be in the final year of completing a bachelor's degree from an internationally recognised university. The degree must consist of significant and broad biomedical science content (for example Pharmacology, Physiology, Immunology, Biochemistry, Microbiology or Genetics) to be eligible for consideration.

Applicants must achieve a minimum GPA of 6.0 out of 7.0.

International applicants are now NOT required to undertake the MCAT or GAMSAT to be considered for the Graduate Entry program at Monash. Shortlisted applicants will also be required to undertake an interview and Situational Judgement Test (SJT)."

 

[Navid9675]

I've just realised what the problem is. Monash is a med school that sets its own rule to accept only school-leaver applicants. It does have a pseudo "graduate-entry" (students skip into 2nd year of its 5-year program) but it's only for Monash Bachelor graduates. So if you want to do Monash medicine you need to enrol in Monash BMed(Hons) first despite already completed one at home. Other graduate-entry schools don't have these rules. (Note: See post below re. Monash)

Example UQ (make sure you change at top of page to international student)
> Doctor of Medicine - Future Students - The University of Queensland

Have a read of this^ see if it makes sense to you. You might also want to check out other graduate-entry schools like ANU, Griffith, Flinders, USyd, Macquarie, UMelb, UWA, Wollongong, Deakin. I'm not sure if they all have places for int'l students but worth checking.

Also may I suggest you focus on this MD entry first, forget about MD/PhD for now.

Thank you for your information, After the names of the universities you told me about, I searched for them. I found new information about MD/Ph.D. on flinder's website that I haven't heard about that. but I couldn't find information about MD/Ph.D. on USyd, Macquarie, UMelb, UWA, Wollongong, Deakin. ( Do you know about them?)
(Also, is there here anyone that knows about MD/Ph.D. programs in New Zealand such as Otago?)
I'm interested in applying for September 2021 or January or Spring 2022.
as well as you know, About a month later, I will graduate with a bachelor's degree in medical laboratory sciences, in Iran. after that, unfortunately, I will have two years of obligatory service in diagnostic laboratories in hospitals in Iran.
If I would be successful to get a university acceptance letter for a Master's or Ph.D. or dual degree program, after that, I can apply for a suspension letter to Iran's health ministry and I can suspend my obligatory service. Iran's health ministry does not allow me to suspend my obligatory service for studying medicine only or studying second bachelor's degree.
I think that at most universities, only 2nd or 3rd-year medical students can apply for MD/Ph.D.
also, Do you know which medical schools offer first semesters online? Do you know which of them have more scholarships for international students? thanks

 

[Navid9675]

My apology, Monash does have a graduate-entry pathway for international students without requiring them to do a Monash Bachelor first. I will edit the post above to reflect.

> Admissions requirements - International
"International students interested in Graduate Entry Medicine at Monash must have completed or be in the final year of completing a bachelor's degree from an internationally recognised university. The degree must consist of significant and broad biomedical science content (for example Pharmacology, Physiology, Immunology, Biochemistry, Microbiology or Genetics) to be eligible for consideration.

Applicants must achieve a minimum GPA of 6.0 out of 7.0.

International applicants are now NOT required to undertake the MCAT or GAMSAT to be considered for the Graduate Entry program at Monash. Shortlisted applicants will also be required to undertake an interview and Situational Judgement Test (SJT)."

I see, thank you for your information

 

[Navid9675]

I see, thank you for your information

also,Could you teach me how can I edit my post or response on this website?

 

[A1]

I think that at most universities, only 2nd or 3rd-year medical students can apply for MD/Ph.D.

In case you didn't know it's quite challenging to get accepted into an Aus medical school, so one step at a time just MD for now. It'd be over-ambitious to be thinking about MD/PhD at this early stage.

I'm interested in applying for September 2021 or January or Spring 2022.

The uni year in Australia starts in February and there's no midyear intake for medicine. You will need to start the process of applying now or Sept to start in 2022, otherwise you have to wait another year.

I couldn't find information about MD/Ph.D. on USyd, Macquarie, UMelb, UWA, Wollongong, Deakin.

I googled "University of Sydney medicine entry requirements for international students" and got this
> https://www.sydney.edu.au/content/d...dmd/md-dmd-international-admissions-guide.pdf

Replace USyd with the other unis you should find their info. Good luck.

 

[dotwingz]

Yes also do keep in mind that borders will remain closed to international student for an indefinite amount of time. I would hold off applying for an Australian med school for the time being.

 

[Navid9675]

Yes also do keep in mind that borders will remain closed to international student for an indefinite amount of time. I would hold off applying for an Australian med school for the time being.

Thank you for your message.
As an international student, Can I study online?

 

[dotwingz]

I know undergrad schools like UNSW are allowing students to complete at least the first year online, but this is unlikely for graduate entry schools. I remember an email from the faculty of medicine at UQ saying students had to be on campus, or defer/dropout at the beginning of this year.

 

[Navid9675]

I know undergrad schools like UNSW are allowing students to complete at least the first year online, but this is unlikely for graduate entry schools. I remember an email from the faculty of medicine at UQ saying students had to be on campus, or defer/dropout at the beginning of this year.

Unfortunately, as well as you said to me, that borders will remain closed to an international student.
why Universities don't offer first semesters ( Medical pre-clinical classes or basic sciences), online?