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JMP JMP: General Entry Discussion

A1 said:
I received this very good question via PM, posting it here for discussion:

"I'm eligible for rural entry @ JMP however I was wondering if you think it is worth applying as a rural student because this would mean I may have to do a higher proportion of placements in rural areas (thats what their website said). I scored a 3200 so I believe I should have enough to get an interview as a normal student however im wondering if you think its worth applying as a rural student as the ATAR hurdle is not a factor. I'm totally willing to do rural placements however I would rather not be pushed into doing them all at rural areas. I'm willing to apply as rural if it means a higher chance of getting in. Do you think I would have a higher chance for getting in considering that they are 100% interview/PQA or not?"
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We normally assume that rural and non-rural applicants achieve similarly in the interview and that JMP interviews the same proportion of rural and non-rural applicants as places on offer (I am sure both of these things are true). HOWEVER rural applicants are GUARANTEED to make up a minimum of 30% of the JMP cohort (if I am not mistaken), with any additional places still being able to go to rural applicants if they achieve well enough in the interview - no such guarantee exists for non-rural applicants. This means that if there are 170 total places on offer, 51 at minimum must go to rural applicants, but more spots are potentially on offer to rural applicants. Consider the following possible scenario:

Non-rural applicants happen to perform slightly better than rural students on the whole in the interviews. If there was no guaranteed rural 30% like there is, then the top 170 interview scorers would get an offer. However, say the OP was in the top 170 interviewees, but after the guaranteed 51 rural applicants were given places, they were no longer in the final list of 170 - they would miss out on a place offer at JMP if they didn’t apply for rural entry. If they had applied, then they would make it in.

Seems to me the safest option would definitely be applying for rural entry and to not apply would be an unnecessary risk.

In reality I’m almost certain there would be no comparable difference in interview scores between rural and non-rural applicants, but just illustrating a potential situation.
 
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A1 said:
I received this very good question via PM, posting it here for discussion:

"I'm eligible for rural entry @ JMP however I was wondering if you think it is worth applying as a rural student because this would mean I may have to do a higher proportion of placements in rural areas (thats what their website said). I scored a 3200 so I believe I should have enough to get an interview as a normal student however im wondering if you think its worth applying as a rural student as the ATAR hurdle is not a factor. I'm totally willing to do rural placements however I would rather not be pushed into doing them all at rural areas. I'm willing to apply as rural if it means a higher chance of getting in. Do you think I would have a higher chance for getting in considering that they are 100% interview/PQA or not?"
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Adding to Crow's reply I like to show this illustration.

JMP's statement is they *aim to* achieve 30% rural students. This is the clue I base on to believe JMP do not put rurals into a separate pool i.e. all interviewees rural or non-rural are final ranked from 1st to 700ish in the same pool.

The 170 places are split into roughly 120 non-rural + 50 rural, so
- If you rank above 120th you get an offer regardless
- If you rank between 121st & 170th you are assured of an offer only if you have applied as rural

- If you rank say 160th, you may or may not get a non-rural offer. You do get one if this 160th is among the top 120 non-rural, but there is no guarantee for that.

If your final rank happens to be in this grey zone, applying as rural gives this little extra assurance. Up to you to decide whether it's worth.
 
JMP application is free and requires you to put an application on UAC which is $70 up until the end of September
 
Hi! Just some information from the JMP Assessment page that may have been posted in this thread before, but I thought would be helpful:
  • Candidates are ranked for interview invites using the aggregate score of VR + DM + QR + AR, with no cutoffs for any subtest unlike WSU
    • SJT isn't used
  • Interviews won't be conducted online
    Interviews will not be conducted at an alternative location, via telephone, via teleconference or outside the set periods.
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threefivetwo said:
Hi! Just some information from the JMP Assessment page that may have been posted in this thread before, but I thought would be helpful:
  • Candidates are ranked for interview invites using the aggregate score of VR + DM + QR + AR, with no cutoffs for any subtest unlike WSU
    • SJT isn't used
  • Interviews won't be conducted online
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Oof that's harsh re. interviews. If I were to interview at JMP on the same date I did in the year that I applied, I'd have to quarantine for 14 days on return to Tassie (which would preclude me from attending at all...).
 
Crow said:
That’s very unfair to interstate applicants.
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Interstate (except Qld) applicants are interviewed mid-late January which is 5 months away. Hopefully state borders will be opened by then.

Interstate rurals interviewed late Nov could be problematic.
 
LMG! said:
Oof that's harsh re. interviews. If I were to interview at JMP on the same date I did in the year that I applied, I'd have to quarantine for 14 days on return to Tassie (which would preclude me from attending at all...).
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[MedStudentsOnline.com.au] JMP: General Entry Discussion
Not sure if this helps, but would this mean that it would be less likely that JMP interviews for interstate applicants would clash with local interviews?
 
threefivetwo said:
Although the page was updated for this year, I'm not sure if it's a final decision given that changes in lockdown levels in NSW could make it inadvisable / difficult to hold a physical interview for local applicants. I suppose we'll have to wait and see :|
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I’d genuinely suggest a petition by interstate applicants in the current climate against this, if they wish to stay strong on that rule. It’s blatantly unfair and will inevitably prevent many from being able to attend the interviews at all. Seems they don’t want to adapt their current interview to be suitable for an online setting.

A1 said:
Interstate (except Qld) applicants are interviewed mid-late January which is 5 months away. Hopefully state borders will be opened by then.

Interstate rurals interviewed late Nov could be problematic.
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That’s incredibly optimistic, for the likes of Victoria especially!
 
Crow said:
That’s incredibly optimistic, for the likes of Victoria especially!
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On this aspect I shed no tears for Vic applicants, with preferential treatment from Monash they should all go there.

threefivetwo said:
Not sure if this helps, but would this mean that it would be less likely that JMP interviews for interstate applicants would clash with local interviews?
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That's exactly the purpose of interviewing interstates late January, since by then they may have got a home state offer they don't need to travel to JMP or UNSW.

LMG! was saying the 14-day quarantine would exclude her from attending JMP interview this year, not about clashing with a local interview.
 
A1 said:
On this aspect I shed no tears for Vic applicants, with preferential treatment from Monash they should all go there.
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LOL

In seriousness, this comes back to our discussion in another thread about selection criteria needing to be the same in each state for it to be "fair game" - it's not fair to exclude Victorian applicants with strong UCAT scores but inadequate ATARs for Monash, from being able to get into the JMP (though you're completely correct that their requirements are significantly lower than other interstate applicants).
 
Does this mean that applicants interviewed before Jan will be receiving offers in the January round and interstate non-rurals in the February round? Or will all offers come out at the same time?
[MedStudentsOnline.com.au] JMP: General Entry Discussion
 
smileyskibunny said:
Does any know the pros or cons of choosing to be considered for a position at the Central Coast Clinical School (Gosford Hospital Precinct)?
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Its a new program as of this year so theres not really too much to go about it.

I just emailed them asking whether or not it would hurt my chances of admission if i say no so ill post back when i get my response.

Based on wording of their website i suspect it wont.
 
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