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Non-standard Medicine Entry

Well what if I DONT KNOW WHAT IM INTERESTED IN 😂 apart from med med, like even an allied health degree seems a bit too specific and limiting, as in I'm not ready to make a decision now, I want to choose a specialisation further down the track when I've experienced a few different healthcare areas as a student in placements etc... Thank you for taking your time to reply to this. I suppose I am clutching at straws trying to find a "non-standard" loop hole to sneak in cause I really want it so damn bad.
Then you honestly need to do some research or think about what courses would open your options up. I didn’t know what I wanted to do when I started uni so went with a BArts/Law so I could ‘try’ law, journalism, and psychology...

You definitely don’t have to know exactly what you want to do, but I don’t think it’s too much to suggest you at least have a think about widening your horizons beyond Med. The cold hard truth is that the number of people who get in vs the number who apply or even vs the number who want to do Med at the end of high school is minuscule. If you want someone to tell you ‘don’t worry about what degree you do because you’ll 100% get into Med’ then you’ve come to the wrong place. We aim for measured, realistic, helpful (hopefully), and calm advice that maybe isn’t always what you want to hear, and maybe isn’t always consistent with what your nearest and dearest tell you (who tend to be more in the ‘you’ll get whatever you want because you’re the best!’ camp).

There are no loop holes that guarantee you entry. It would be hugely irresponsible of me to suggest otherwise to you.

If you want to do something that will give you ‘healthcare placements’ so you can get a taste of the various parts of the industry, then honestly, BNurs is probably the one that will facilitate this from the very start. BPhysio will also include placements from early on and in a variety of settings. BOccTherapy is probably similar. A generic degree like a BArts, BSci, BMedSci won’t come with placements in healthcare settings.
 
Hey guys
Can someone please help me, I've been stressing over this for the last few days.

I have a completed bachelors/grad dip that I did in 2016. I also started a Masters by coursework in 2017 and discontinued in 2018, but I only did 3 unit of study , not even 1 semester !

For WSU which gpa will most likely be used ?
I've already received an interview , but I will devastated if I dont even meet the gpa hurdle.

Thank you :)
 
Hey guys
Can someone please help me, I've been stressing over this for the last few days.

I have a completed bachelors/grad dip that I did in 2016. I also started a Masters by coursework in 2017 and discontinued in 2018, but I only did 3 unit of study , not even 1 semester !

For WSU which gpa will most likely be used ?
I've already received an interview , but I will devastated if I dont even meet the gpa hurdle.

Thank you :)

I believe they’ll use your completed degree to assess your academic eligibility.
 
Hi guys, I'm a bit confused about how UAC calculates the GPA. If one were to do their first 2 years of uni (at 2 different unis and gain full RPL for their first year) would their overall GPA just be an average of the two?
 
Hi everyone!

Sorry, I'm new here so I'm not sure if this is how you post questions but hopefully it is :). I was hoping to receive some advice on my current situation: I received a (NSW) 99.5 ATAR but I didn't sit the UCAT this year because I never imagined I would obtain a high enough ATAR to apply for medicine. I've always wanted to do medicine however, I'm very conflicted as to what I should now. I can either go into radiography at USYD and apply for transfer to medicine as a non-standard (but I feel like the chances of this working out will be slim since only a limited no. of unis allow this and I'm scared I won't achieve a high enough GPA) or I can take a gap year and take this opportunity to work/sit UCAT/volunteer. However, I'm still not sure if it's a wise decision to spend an entire year in hopes of getting into medicine. I just wanted to ask about the difficulty of getting into medicine as a non-standard and whether my chances are higher if I take a gap year. Also, is my ATAR even competitive enough to consider a gap year and what would be an adequate UCAT score? Any advice would be appreciated. Thankyou so much! :D
 
Hi everyone!

Sorry, I'm new here so I'm not sure if this is how you post questions but hopefully it is :). I was hoping to receive some advice on my current situation: I received a 99.5 ATAR but I didn't sit the UCAT this year because I never imagined I would obtain a high enough ATAR to apply for medicine. I've always wanted to do medicine however, I'm very conflicted as to what I should now. I can either go into radiography at USYD and apply for transfer to medicine as a non-standard (but I feel like the chances of this working out will be slim since only a limited no. of unis allow this and I'm scared I won't achieve a high enough GPA) or I can take a gap year and take this opportunity to work/sit UCAT/volunteer. However, I'm still not sure if it's a wise decision to spend an entire year in hopes of getting into medicine. I just wanted to ask about the difficulty of getting into medicine as a non-standard and whether my chances are higher if I take a gap year. Also, is my ATAR even competitive enough to consider a gap year and what would be an adequate UCAT score? Any advice would be appreciated. Thankyou so much! :D

You can do non-standard applications every year of your undergraduate degree, and then graduate entry once you’ve finished. Those places combined (non-standard + graduate entry) account for more Med offers in Australia than school leaver entry places, so it’s not necessarily the slim chance you might be envisaging (at least, it’s no more slim than school leaver, less slim in fact - relatively speaking!).

A gap year with the sole intention of getting into Med is rarely a good idea but, as you mentioned, can be okay if you make it worthwhile beyond that. That said, unless you’re rural (I’m guessing not), then I’d say your ATAR isn’t one I could see benefiting from a gap year unless you re-did some subjects, maybe (alongside all the other things you mentioned). I’m not too familiar with re-doing subjects though.

Check out the past years’ offers threads (and this year’s as they come through) to get an idea of ATAR/UCAT combos. Keep in mind, ATAR is a hurdle for JMP and JPM and both will use GPA similarly and tend to skew towards non-standards for place offers due to the heavy interview component so gap year is of no real benefit there.

And finally, keeping in mind this is likely to be the longest of long-shots, you could add Griffith USC to your QTAC application and keep your fingers crossed for 2021.
 
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You can do non-standard applications every year of your undergraduate degree, and then graduate entry once you’ve finished. Those places combined (non-standard + graduate entry) account for more Med offers in Australia than school leaver entry places, so it’s not necessarily the slim chance you might be envisaging (at least, it’s no more slim than school leaver, less slim in fact - relatively speaking!).

A gap year with the sole intention of getting into Med is rarely a good idea but, as you mentioned, can be okay if you make it worthwhile beyond that. That said, unless you’re rural (I’m guessing not), then I’d say your ATAR isn’t one I could see benefiting from a gap year unless you re-did some subjects, maybe (alongside all the other things you mentioned). I’m not too familiar with re-doing subjects though.

Check out the past years’ offers threads (and this year’s as they come through) to get an idea of ATAR/UCAT combos. Keep in mind, ATAR is a hurdle for JMP and JPM and both will use GPA similarly and tend to skew towards non-standards for place offers due to the heavy interview component so gap year is of no real benefit there.

And finally, keeping in mind this is likely to be the longest of long-shots, you could add Griffith USC to your QTAC application and keep your fingers crossed for 2021.
Hi! Thankyou for your response, I'll do a bit more research on re-doing subjects. Also, I just looked at the Griffith uni provisional med option, is getting a GPA of 5+ for medical science hard and are the chances of getting into med via that path high? Thanks again for the info :)
 
Hi, i was just wondering if i get into bond medicine is it possible to transfer to unsw after the first year, if i have an atar of 99.60, and achieve a competitive ucat score and high GPA in that course? I was not quite sure if they allowed transfers from medicine courses,
Thank you
 
Hi everyone!

Sorry, I'm new here so I'm not sure if this is how you post questions but hopefully it is :). I was hoping to receive some advice on my current situation: I received a (NSW) 99.5 ATAR but I didn't sit the UCAT this year because I never imagined I would obtain a high enough ATAR to apply for medicine. I've always wanted to do medicine however, I'm very conflicted as to what I should now. I can either go into radiography at USYD and apply for transfer to medicine as a non-standard (but I feel like the chances of this working out will be slim since only a limited no. of unis allow this and I'm scared I won't achieve a high enough GPA) or I can take a gap year and take this opportunity to work/sit UCAT/volunteer. However, I'm still not sure if it's a wise decision to spend an entire year in hopes of getting into medicine. I just wanted to ask about the difficulty of getting into medicine as a non-standard and whether my chances are higher if I take a gap year. Also, is my ATAR even competitive enough to consider a gap year and what would be an adequate UCAT score? Any advice would be appreciated. Thankyou so much! :D
If you are keen enough for med that you don't mind risking a year of no gain, I suggest you take a gap year *plus* redoing one/two HSC subjects to lift your ATAR a little.

Since you are in NSW ATAR comprises your English marks + 4 best other marks. Look in this link for HSC subjects you can do online from home
> https://www.tafensw.edu.au/courses/access-education-further-study-for-employment

You need to achieve only 5-6 extra HSC aggregate marks to lift your ATAR to 99.70 specifically for Griffith USC (or Nathan with luck). Relative to your lowest ATAR subject marks, if you feel you can achieve 5-6 extra marks with one subject then redo one, else redo two to get 3 extra each.

(Btw one MSO member has done exactly this before, redid one subject raised ATAR by 0.15 got into med the next year).

An extra advantage with gap year is if you also achieve a UCAT score good enough for the non-standard pathway you can also apply to many other med schools that don't accept non-standards, to maximise your chances.
 
So I got an ATAR of 98.80, which was kind of disappointing personally as I had aimed/expected higher as I was keen on studying medicine/dentistry. My UCAT was also pretty mediocre, only at 2910 (89th). My current plan is to apply again next year as a non-standard studying Comp Sci/Media Arts at UNSW to nonstandard accepting unis in NSW. Any idea on the GPA requirements for UNSW, JMP, WSU?
 
Any idea on the GPA requirements for UNSW, JMP, WSU?
WSU 6.2 hurdle but your ATAR will qualify anyway. JMP 4.7 hurdle (need to complete 1 full year = 8 subjects by end of year).
UNSW was 50/50 ATAR+GPA but from this year it's best of GPA or ATAR, so 6.5+ to get 99.5 to be competitive.
 
So I got an ATAR of 98.80, which was kind of disappointing personally as I had aimed/expected higher as I was keen on studying medicine/dentistry. My UCAT was also pretty mediocre, only at 2910 (89th). My current plan is to apply again next year as a non-standard studying Comp Sci/Media Arts at UNSW to nonstandard accepting unis in NSW. Any idea on the GPA requirements for UNSW, JMP, WSU?
just adding on to A1, for WSU if you are applying with an incomplete degree they will take the higher score out of ATAR and GPA, since you have a 98.80 you've met the hurdle already which is good :)
 
Hi, i was just wondering if i get into bond medicine is it possible to transfer to unsw after the first year, if i have an atar of 99.60, and achieve a competitive ucat score and high GPA in that course? I was not quite sure if they allowed transfers from medicine courses,
Thank you

No. I think the only non-standard uni that allows this is JMP and it’s not a transfer, rather a typical competitive application (like if you were doing any other bachelor degree) and you’d start from year 1 again.
 
No. I think the only non-standard uni that allows this is JMP and it’s not a transfer, rather a typical competitive application (like if you were doing any other bachelor degree) and you’d start from year 1 again.
Ok, thank you, i was just wondering because I got a 91st percentile in the UCAT this year and was unsure if it was worth taking the gap year and re doing it or just going for bond medicine if i do get an offer, i wanted to see what my options were if i did get into bonds and was trying to maybe change universities through non standard entry. I do think the best option is to take the bond offer if i do get it and just try for the JMP next year then.
 
If you are keen enough for med that you don't mind risking a year of no gain, I suggest you take a gap year *plus* redoing one/two HSC subjects to lift your ATAR a little.

Since you are in NSW ATAR comprises your English marks + 4 best other marks. Look in this link for HSC subjects you can do online from home
> https://www.tafensw.edu.au/courses/access-education-further-study-for-employment

You need to achieve only 5-6 extra HSC aggregate marks to lift your ATAR to 99.70 specifically for Griffith USC (or Nathan with luck). Relative to your lowest ATAR subject marks, if you feel you can achieve 5-6 extra marks with one subject then redo one, else redo two to get 3 extra each.

(Btw one MSO member has done exactly this before, redid one subject raised ATAR by 0.15 got into med the next year).

An extra advantage with gap year is if you also achieve a UCAT score good enough for the non-standard pathway you can also apply to many other med schools that don't accept non-standards, to maximise your chances.
Hi! Thanks for your response. Just wondering if I should redo my courses if I have applied for EAS. In fact, does EAS still apply if I take a gap year? Thank you!
 
Just wondering if I should redo my courses if I have applied for EAS. In fact, does EAS still apply if I take a gap year?
I'm not sure what EAS criteria you have qualified for. Other than UNSW the other NSW med schools don't accept EAS anyway, iirc.

If your EAS will be valid for SATAC next year it's all the more reason to take a gap year. Your ATAR will be boosted to 99.95 and with 80ish %ile UCAT you get a Flinders offer, whereas 80ish %ile is unlikely to get you a non-standards interview (other than UNSW again).

You should still redo one/two subjects to hopefully lift your raw ATAR to 99.70 for USC, in case UCAT doesn't work out.
 
I'm not sure what EAS criteria you have qualified for. Other than UNSW the other NSW med schools don't accept EAS anyway, iirc.

“The Joint Medical Program is now included in the Educational Access Scheme. Through the Educational Access Scheme (EAS) you can get up to four additional adjustment points if you have experienced educational or other disadvantage. For more information about the EAS see here.”

from JMP website
 
“The Joint Medical Program is now included in the Educational Access Scheme. Through the Educational Access Scheme (EAS) you can get up to four additional adjustment points if you have experienced educational or other disadvantage. For more information about the EAS see here.”
Thanks for adding this info.
It doesn't help Bindy though since ATAR is hurdle at JMP and Bindy is already way higher than needed.
 
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