Otago HSFY chat - archive

[Podolski]

Pretty sure the collateral are extracapsular and the cruciate are intracapsular.

So if it read 'tibia' then it would be cruciate ligament and if it was fibula it obviously would be collateral (as long as they said 'which extracapsular ligament...')

Man health science has really changed since I did it. You actually learn things relevant to 2nd year med.

 

[skyglow1]

If I had read the question and it did say tibia, I would'v put PCL damaged. But who knows

 

[SASOL]

Who cares

 

[greenglacier]

Pretty sure the collateral are extracapsular and the cruciate are intracapsular.

Just depends on definition. I'm almost certain that last year we were taught cruciate = extracapsular because they are not part of the joint capsule (i.e. separate from the actual capsule). In fact, given that the lecture slide says "cruciate=extracapsular" I am certain.

Meh though - only 1 mark in a test that I didn't sit, and haven't even seen.

 

[ericlkh]

its intracapsular for sure

 

[patkirtan]

Just depends on definition. I'm almost certain that last year we were taught cruciate = extracapsular because they are not part of the joint capsule (i.e. separate from the actual capsule). In fact, given that the lecture slide says "cruciate=extracapsular" I am certain.

Meh though - only 1 mark in a test that I didn't sit, and haven't even seen.

I have last years Lecture Slides and it does say Cruciate ligt are extracapsular, but this years lecture slides say intracapsular.


2010

"2: Intracapsular
 Restricts movement between bones
 Cruciate ligaments"

2009

" 2: Extracapsular
 Movement between bones
 Cruciate ligaments"

 

[ChickenPie]

Highlights why people shouldn't study off old material... ie aptitude books!

 

[greenglacier]

highlights why people shouldn't study off old material... Ie aptitude books!

yes!

 

[patkirtan]

I've never actually used last years slides before, someone advised me right at the start not to, because it changes and the changes are so subtle you won't even notice .....

 

[ericlkh]

meh i think aptitute is useful as long as you correct it and add stuff to it from your current lecture slides. It would be stupid if you just depend on the book itself....but it would be really useful to use it in conjunction with your lecture slides. <_<

 

[ChickenPie]

CELS was good- much like last year's paper... Still only really expecting/hoping for an A grade though.

Good balance of fact questions vs explain questions. (on the latter I pre-emptively ignored space given and wrote small and in pencil, it felt like it helped a lot at the time.

 

[patkirtan]

CELS was good- much like last year's paper... Still only really expecting/hoping for an A grade though.

Good balance of fact questions vs explain questions. (on the latter I pre-emptively ignored space given and wrote small and in pencil, it felt like it helped a lot at the time.

I reckon it was easier than Hubs!!! I'm not looking forward to Chem, i suck so bad at chem....

 

[squigglypencil]

meh i think aptitute is useful as long as you correct it and add stuff to it from your current lecture slides. It would be stupid if you just depend on the book itself....but it would be really useful to use it in conjunction with your lecture slides. <_<

Same here, I quite like the aptitute book. A lot of the people at my hostel seem to hate the thing though... Meh!

Cells wasn't too bad, although I know I've got a few wrong. Some questions were a bit iffy but overall it was easier than hubs (imo). Yay Chemistry.... <_<

 

[ChickenPie]

Chem was good- how'd you guys find it?

 

[patkirtan]

Chem was good- how'd you guys find it?

Was alright until i found out i skipped through 5 marks worth of questions FML, overall a good paper, just like last years paper, just a bit more challenging. Far easier than 2008... thank god!


I'd be more than happy with anything over 80 percent for this paper, i'll make it up with an 8th paper

 

[the_international]

yea chem was alright~

anyone know how to work this out;

A 70kg runner loses 0.5kg of water each hour through evaporation of perspiration in order to maintain a stable temperature. the latent heat of vaporizzation of water at his skin temperature is 2440 and the average specific heat capacity of his body is 3.49 if he stopped perspiring how much would his temperature rise in the following 60minutes in K


i tried Q = mL then Q=mcT getting T, didnt get right answer though.

 

[patkirtan]

yea chem was alright~

anyone know how to work this out;

A 70kg runner loses 0.5kg of water each hour through evaporation of perspiration in order to maintain a stable temperature. the latent heat of vaporizzation of water at his skin temperature is 2440 and the average specific heat capacity of his body is 3.49 if he stopped perspiring how much would his temperature rise in the following 60minutes in K


i tried Q = mL then Q=mcT getting T, didnt get right answer though.

Maybe you forgot to change 24 degrees to K ?

I remember doing this question ...i thought it was 80 minutes ?

 

[OUSchweiz]

nerves

Ok I'm a bit nervous here and I was wondering about a little bit of advice.

I'm on an exchange this year instead of being in year 13 at school. I have aspirations to do HSFY. So, I have the option of going back to school and possibly being really bored because I am self studying Year 13 content over here. Although I could get into Health Sci and be completely screwed. If I go back to school I could get really good grades but that doesn't really matter once you get to uni apart from for scholarships.

So i suppose i'm asking what do you think i should do, Uni, back to school, foundation year???

Thanks

 

[dee]

Otago Medicine Help !

hey,

I am doing my last year of high school in Australia and im interested in doing med at Otago. Just generally how hard is it to get into undergrad med at Otago, i heard roughly about 50% of the students from their first year in Health Science degree get into either med, dent, or pharmacy.

Also, Whats the GPA needed to be considered into med, and whats the highest GPA that you can get in the first year of Health Sciences degree. and what happens if you do outstandingly on in your first year of Health Science degree but dont do too well on the UMAT, what are the chances of getting in?

Thanks in advance

 

[greenglacier]

It's very hard to quantify, in words, the difficultly of getting into med through Otago HSFY, but here are some numbers that might help:

Number of people in HSFY in 2009 = approx. 1250 at the start of the year, dropping to approx. 1100 at the end of the year.
Number of people accepted into 2nd year med 2010 = 250, 180 from HSFY

Number of people accepted into other professional programmes (mostly, but not all HSFY) = 54 into dent, 120 into pharmacy, 120 into physiotherapy, 60 into medical laboratory science.

A significant number of offers of places in professional programmes are turned down (including a few for med), mainly because you can apply for as many professional programmes as you like, with each application treated individually. In particular, this makes getting into pharmacy, physiotherapy, and med lab sci a lot easier than the numbers suggest. For med though, yeah you'd be looking to score in the top maybe 15% of HSFY. Remember though that the entry standard for HSFY is really low (currently equivalent to ATAR of 74), so a large number of people in HSFY never had a chance of getting into med anyway (to put it bluntly). Also remember that heaps of people who don't get in through HSFY just spend another 2 years finishing their degree and get in through graduate entry.

So, it's definately not easy getting into Otago med from HSFY, but it's not impossibly difficult either and tends to be overstated (by the end of HSFY a large number of people in the current 2nd year med class thought they weren't going to get in).

In terms of the entry standard, it's a sliding scale. There is no interview, so entry is determined solely on HSFY paper marks and UMAT. There is no UMAT threshold, but there is a HSFY threshold - you have to get at least 70% in all 7 core HSFY papers. Lots of people do 8 papers (1 optional paper in addition to the 7 core HSFY papers), in which case only the best 7 are considered, provided the threshold is reached.

Your HSFY average percentage mark is combined with your UMAT raw score (weighted 45/45/10 by the 3 sections) 2:1 (i.e. 67% HSFY, 33% UMAT) to calculate the final ranking score for med.

One consequence of this method is that UMAT is unimportant compared to HSFY paper marks, and people rarely miss out on med from a poor UMAT if their HSFY paper average is a good competitive one. However, a very good UMAT (>95th percentile) does have the power to compensate for a relatively low HSFY paper average.

To put things in perspective, some of the cutoffs for 2nd year med 2010 (not off the waiting list, where the standard dropped a fair bit) were approximately (some variation from rounding and the decreased importance of UMAT section 3):

At least 30th percentile UMAT, and at least 94% HSFY paper average
At least 50th percentile UMAT, and at least 92% HSFY paper average
At least 80th percentile UMAT, and at least 89% HSFY paper average
At least 90th percentile UMAT, and at least 87% HSFY paper average
At least 95th percentile UMAT, and at least 86% HSFY paper average