Otago HSFY chat - archive

[skyglow1]

You'll be assessed in the final on those lectures.

 

[docca.emb]

-for the gait cycle i put down the swing phase... but yea i think stance is correct
- for the pennate muscle, wasn't it all of the above?

I'm not entirely sure on this but isn't the cells immediate environment brake fluid??

 

[Deleted member 4350]

LOL... yeah they had some pretty ridiculous alternatives. One of them was "because the French spelt it wrong" or something...

Pennate muscle was a bit of a dodgy question, i'm not 100% sure on the answer.

Anyway... CELS mid-term is like four times more important than this one and the material we'll be won't be in the final, so work your asses off this week!

 

[jeavey]

koochkooch you must be smart remembering all those questions.

 

[Deleted member 4350]

lol nah, it's because I discussed them with heaps of people and i posted those answers like as soon as i got home

 

[jeavey]

there are two chapters in cell 191 ( lecture 1 and lecture 2)....that are based on cells history and some details about origin of life?

do they expect us to remember that FOR da test?

 

[skyglow1]

Yes but not names or dates. Need to know everything else though.

 

[lock_on]

I found the test really easy but apparently a lot of people got owned, just as skyglow predicted. I can't remember all of the questions, but here were some of my answers:

-Axial skeleton question was 'none of the above' because it was referring to pelvic girdle and axial skeleton doesn't involve any limbs
-Human tissues act question - deceased person's wishes blah blah blah
-struts of tissue was trabeculae
-'none of the above' for the cells that break down ECM
-For the gait cycle question, quadriceps femoris and stance phase were affected
-collagen fibres cause resilience and tensile strength
-Calcium ions allow contraction of sarcomere (myosin and actin)
-Tissue that affects the anterior and posterior part of the knee was cruciate ligament
-Ankle joint was hinge and moves in sagittal plane
-knee joint was condylar
-Cells immediate environment was extracellular fluid
-Neutraliser question - this one was quite dodgy, i was tossing up "1, 2, 3" and "2,3" and ended up choosing "2,3". Option 1 was it works against agonists which doesn't make sense because why would they call it a neutraliser instead of an antagonist?
-For the 'pennate muscle' question I said it was the great cross sectional area thingy, again, a bit iffy about this one.
-Muscle tone was small amount of activity in muscles... something or other
-Force of contraction is dependent upon number of motor units
-Question about why negative feedback is negative - because switching on leads to switching off etc
-Control of core body temp was the skin allows exchange of heat
-treatment of diabetes type 1: glucometer, injection, schedule meals
-Which one of these is correct about negative feedback or something - sensor and integrator were the same tissue.

That's all i can remember from the test. lol

Discuss!!

wow i got all of them right apart from pennate muscles: i knew that 2 of the options were correct

- cross sec. area
- lead to decreased ROM compared to parallel fibres but have greater strength

but endedup choosing the option above (lead to dec. ROM...) instead of all of the above (i thought other options were wrong).

i dont remember this question "-Axial skeleton question was 'none of the above' because it was referring to pelvic girdle and axial skeleton doesn't involve any limbs"

didnt it ask what bone attaches to the axial skeleton at the pelvic girdle...i said femur. pelvis is part of the axial skeleton and it joins to the femur @ the legs... unless i misread the question i think i got it right...thats what everyone said. i thought it was fairly straight forward but might have read it too fast (since it looked easy) and made a stupid mistake.

im so much more worried about cells. need to write notes for 10 slides. ive got 3 labs this week. and those study group sheets have fairly easy questions but the answers in the mark scheme are SO detailed..

skyblue/dan..how did you find the cells test last year..any pointers?

anyone find that some of the lecture readings dont give information related to the learning objectives? And sometimes the lectures (eg. lec 14 on polyploidy) didnt answer the learning obj's at ALL?? Hubs/chem/physics is far more structured,

 

[lock_on]

-for the gait cycle i put down the swing phase... but yea i think stance is correct
- for the pennate muscle, wasn't it all of the above?

I'm not entirely sure on this but isn't the cells immediate environment brake fluid??

its ECF not brake fluid...brake fluid is not found in the body..its in like hydraulic machinery and stuff. and it was all of above for the pennate question. im fairly sure it was Quadriceps femoris, stance for the gait/patrik injury question...which was the most RIDICULOUS question ever.

i cud barely remember that video and had to think hard to remember where he was bleeding. they should have had a diagram showing the point of bleeding. remember a stupid video thats nothing to do with HUBS doesnt test anyones understanding of the subject.

 

[Arutha]

skyblue/dan..how did you find the cells test last year..any pointers?

Lol. Luckily for us last year cells was after mid-semester break so I could cram like crazy. The last few lectures are just high school bio so if you did bio last year they should be easy to revise. Cut out all the crap and find the info you specifically need to answer lecture objectives.

Don't know how skyblue found it though. He dominated so he'll probably have lots of tips up his sleeve.

 

[Random]

Are there any cells lectures for the rest of the week after today?

Im sure skyblue (lol) rewrote notes?

 

[skyglow1]

Yup learnt pretty much everything in the lecture slides word for word except for one or two things like names or dates that I didn't feel were necessary. There were some tricky questions too where you had to think carefully about what they wanted you to write down.

 

[Random]

Hmm well apparently it separates the men (and ladies) from the boys (and girls). So it is bound to have similar difficulties as last year. Was it worth 20% in 2008?

 

[skyglow1]

No it was worth 30% because the first GLM was included in it. The GLM section in the test was very very tough too, just like the rest of it. Average was 33.6/60.

 

[Deleted member 4350]

BAH! I just realised the sacrum and coccyx are part of the pelvis and axial skeleton, thus femur must be the right answer. I can't believe I screwed up such an easy question!

I'm planning to write up my CELS notes 3 times for this test. Btw, what's up with lecturers not stick to their own lecture objectives? Honestly, doesn't it **** you off sometimes how they seem to always bring up useless, non-examinable material that have absolutely no relevance to the objectives? Check the last objective for lecture 14 - Recognise that these abnormalities can also occur in the soma alone. The word 'soma' wasn't even mentioned a single time in the lecture nor the slides. *sigh*

 

[skyglow1]

But for CELS they like to dabble beyond the lecture ojbectives slightly, or at the very least push the boundaries on what is covered in the lecture objectives, when they set questions in the test. Definitely prepare for the worst and cover as much detail as humanly possible. For CELS if it's not in the lecture objectives it doesn't mean that it definitely won't be tested.

I think this thread should get merged with the HSFY one lol. Then we'd have a super-thread.

 

[nottellingu]

Generally speaking rural entry streams are slightly less competitive

 

[skyglow1]

There's not too many people applying through this category. If I remember correctly, only less than 20 or so out out of the 160 or so HSFY people going through into med. You still need good grades.

 

[Random]

^ Seconded haha (is it possible?)

I've been slack for the past 3 days and haven't covered much because I dont have the concentration atm for unknown reasons.

3 times seems like a good number though.. I'll have to pick up the slack tbh

 

[skyglow1]

Tips for the CELS test.
Here's last years feedback for the terms test:
https://uploading.com/files/X146YH2Q/cels-Exam_feedback.pdf.html

With multichoice, when they say the BEST answer, then the answer they want is the only one that can be DIRECTLY concluded from the opening statement in the question. In that feedback file they go through that question on the secreting cell. B is the ONLY answer that follows DIRECTLY from "a cell that is secreting proteins". The other answers require assumptions. Other than that the multichoice section should be easy.

With the short answers, be as succint as possible no matter what. Write very short sentences that get the point across with minimal words. Never ever ever try and waffle. It's fine to put down some points that may not directly be answering the question, but put them at the end and do not spend much time on them. Sentences should be less than a line long on the page preferably. Make sure you answer the questions too. Think carefully about what they want you to write down, not what you think you know about that question. In our MSO meetups alot of the time you guys would offer words that were related but it didn't answer my question at all when I asked you. Write what the examiner wants to hear, not what you think you know about that subject.