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Otago HSFY chat - archive

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Lol I didn't come close to keeping myself motivated. I lost that drive about 2 months into the course and never got it back. I guess I survived the second semester finals because I was forced to work more efficiently than I've ever done before a few days before the exams i.e. most intense cramming ever lol.

Someone on my floor also had very good first semester marks and took eco as a safeguard. Pretty sure it payed off for her too.
 
i had the same problem for motivation this year, it was horrible. i started of great with E's and M's, and slowwwwly declined to getting achieves and scraping merits. however i was able to retain E's in chem, hopefully it will help for next year.

any who, any tips for self motivation? uni life will be so much harder than high school, i cant imagine what the workload will be like. What is it meant by "cramming"? is there anyway particular way 'how to cram':lol:
 
Efficiency is nothing without effectiveness and vice versa ;) Obviously skyglow had to have both to achieve such wonderful results.
 
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Oh I kinda lumped efficiency and effectiveness together haha sorry. I meant that if you're not seeing results then you're not working efficiently because whatever you're doing isn't helping, and so it's a waste of time so it's not efficient. Basically I aimed to get the most amount of memorisation done in the least amount of time.

Holidays are a really good time to figure out your goals and why you want to do HSFY/med in the first place. You'll need to start the year with a very strong and clear mindset as to why you're going to essentially put yourself through hell. Then you'll need to keep reminding yourself of your goals and motivations etc. to keep you going, and maybe revise some of your goals along the way.

Showers are a really good place to sort this out haha. I spent many a night idling in the shower at 2am just trying to work my goals and what motivates me. Ideally you should work that out before you get to Otago lol.

Cramming is memorising or learning tons of stuff in a short time just before an exam. It is what not to do. You should be instead working consistently throughout the year so you don't have to cram for the finals. I had to resort to very little sleep and intense cramming in the weeks before second semester finals because I had lost my motivation and hadn't done the work. It's defintely not good a idea to go into the exam with such little sleep.
 
Yes, cramming is bad. Don't do it kiddies.
One of the novelties of being away from home is being able to do whatever you want! No parents to stop you having a shower at 2am, no school administration to make sure you're at your classes, it's all up to you. Your ability to exercise self-control will be heavily tested at uni. Sure, you can go to town once in a while or after a big test, but if you think you can get trashed every week and still make it into med you must be really good or really delusional. If you're the former, please tell me how to do it.
 
That's a really important point I forgot to mention. It also makes the whole motivation thing that much harder. High school is easier because you have parents and teachers who are making sure you are actually doing your work and so on. Hardly anyone will care if you are not doing your work at uni, so being motivated is that much more important.
 
I suggest people get an organiser/wall calendar so you can mark important dates and remember to check it often!
 
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Hey I was just wondering if someone who took HSFY this year would mind telling me a couple of things :)

I bought 2 books from TradeMe for HSFY next year and saved myself just about $100 :D I was thinking about doing some light holiday reading to prepare for next year because HSFY sounds pretty intense from what I have heard.

The books I bought are Campbell & Reeces 'Biology' (which I hope I won't have to lug around too often T_T) for CELS191, and Essential Epidemiology for HEAL192.

I was just wondering if someone would mind giving me an idea of which chapters the papers cover next year so I don't waste time reading things that I don't have to know lol n_n"

Oh and has anyone here stayed at, or does anyone know much about Carrington College - I'm going to be staying there next year XD

Thanks so much! :)
 
Hi LightGrenades.
I was also eager and bought books in the holidays and read them, but it wasn't really of much use in terms of preparing for HSFY (only my experience of course). The lecture material is very specific and sometimes very distant from what is in the books. I hardly used the books, and if I did use them, it would be just to check up or clarify something really minor. Everything they want you to learn will be the stuff they state in the lectures, not in the books. Hardly any of the stuff in the books actually overlaps with the precise content in the lectures from my experience. I concentrated all my time on learning lecture material and it worked out very well (didn't do the prereading from the textbook they expect you to do from the book before each lecture because I felt it was a waste of time).

If you still want to go ahead and do a bit of reading I took this from an earlier post of mine. It only gives you an idea of the topics but no idea of how detailed you'll have to go into it. Knowing what level of detail you need for the tests/exams is very important, and you'll find that out in the lectures themselves. You'll find Arutha's experiences with the book earlier on in the thread too.

[offtopic]CELS191
I wish I hadn't thrown away my objectives at this point. I have some of them but the rest I'll have to throw together from memory. Cell biology and genetics bit and some of microbiology are decent covered by L3
Cell biology - cell structure and stuff like organelles etc etc, theories on origin of life, plant vs animal cells, plastids, plasma membrane, cytoskeleton, nucleus structure
Genetics - mitosis, meiosis, polyploids, aneuploids, X-inactivation, human chromosal abnormalities, mendelian genetics, inheritance, Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium, biochem of genetics, lots on genetic techniques
Microbiology - classification, bacteria structure, ecosystems (chemoautotrophs and all that), genetics of bacteria (transformation, transduction, conjugation), Winogradsky column, applications of microbes, cheese (there was a whole page on this lecture in the mid-semester test lol), resistance, viruses, viral reproduction, infectious disease

PHSI191
Mechanics - all the equations of motion, forces, circular motion, simple harmonic motion etc etc
Thermodynamics - heating/expasion, heat transfer equations, ideal gases, humidity (urgh), lays of thermodynamics
Bulk materials - not covered in NCEA at all, stuff like stress and strain
Fluid mechanics - don't think this is covered in NCEA, bernoulli's equation, equation of continuity etc etc
Electricity and DC circuits - really basic stuff, the most complicated it gets is equations for capacitors
Optics - the basic reflection/refraction, then diffraction and interference, then some things like rayleigh criterion
Radiation and health - equations dealing with half life and activity and stuff


HUBS191 (there's bound to be mistakes about if L3 covers this or that so bear with me lol)
Homeostatic principles - should be familiar with this? repeated over and over and over again
Musculoskeletal system - not covered in L3?
Nervous system - the "hardest" module, which is true for many people
Endocrine system - not covered in L3?
Immune system - not covered in L3

HUBS192
Cardiovascular system - not sure
Respiratory system - not covered in L3
Gastrointestinal system - not covered in L3
Renal and urinary system - not covered in L3
Blood system - not covered in L3
Acid base - not covered in L3
Reproductive system - not sure

BIOC192 (pretty much all of this isn't covered in L3 except for the really really basic stuff)
Protein structure - primary/secondary/tertiary/quaternary structure, domains, motifs, prions, immunoglobulins, haemoglobin, myoglobin, haemoglobin variants, collagen and elastin
Enzyme kinetics - michaelis menten kinetics, inhibition, mechanisms (fun fun lol), applications of enzymes in health
"Drugs" (I can't remember the name of this topic) - muscle proteins, muscle dystrophies, membranes, targets for drugs, stress response, drug discovery and therapeutics
Food and digestion - energy calculations, digestion and absorption of carbohydrates/fats/proteins, fat transport, heart disease, vitamins, minerals
Oxidation (hardest part for alot of people because it's so new if you did NCEA) - energy calculations, glycolysis, citric acid cycle, oxdiative phosphorylation, electron transport chain, beta oxidation, metabolism of amino acids, reactive oxygen species
Integration - alcohol, storage/mobilisation of fuels, starvation, exercise, diabetes, obesity

HEAL192 (I've said it a few times but alot of it just learning new things and alot of it is common sense)
Every lecture is like different and it's not really split into topics, but there's two big sections to the paper (split by the mid-semester test)
First section - internal validity (bias/confounding/chance), causation, external validity, measures of occurence/assocaition, study designs
Second section - (an application of the stuff in the first section) - ethics, disease prevention, alcohol, infectious disease, HIV, animal/human interactions, physical activity, suicide and self harm, obesity, oral health, climate change, patterns of disease, Maori health, poverty and health, social epidemiology, ageing[/offtopic]

If you are gonna do reading, don't get caught up trying to understand anything if you can't get it, and definitely don't get caught up in memorising any details. For the CELS book the amount that is actually relevant is maybe 1/10th of the book or maybe even less I'd say. I found I hardly used this book and just went with what was in the lectures. The HEAL book was the exception for me and I found it much more useful than the other books. I read it before starting the course and struggled to understand some of the concepts. It was only after actually starting the paper when the book was actually helpful to me.

HSFY sounds intense, but really if you stick to the lecture objectives and you stick to lecture material, you can't really go wrong.

If you did NCEA then I would suggest doing light reading on the topics that look completely new to you, so when you start the course and come across it again it won't be completely new then. If you did cambridge or IB then I'd say don't sweat it. Holidays are good for getting tons of sleep. Unless you're a genius, you'll be missing those long hours of sleep when you start HSFY :)

Carrington is one of the "academic" colleges. I've never been there but it sounds like a nice college. They have many students from that college getting into med each year; maybe cause the people who go there are more likely to get in, or maybe the college atmosphere is better or something. Anyways don't get too caught up in what college you're going it. In the end it's yourself that determines what marks you're gonna get.
 
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Thanks heaps for that skyglow1!
That was really helpful and kind of comforting! So someone aiming for med needs an A-/A/A+ GPA? (i think its called GPA lol, Grade Point Average or something isn't it? >_<") But could still go out a couple of times a week and enjoy themselves?

I'm kind of glad that we don't need to know that whole Biology book because its just about as large as an encyclopaedia lol XD

Thanks again :)
 
Not sure what mark you should aim for. Personally I aimed for 100% on everything, even if I kept falling short of it. Pretty much just try and get the best mark you possibly can. If you can get good paper marks, it can compensate for a not so great UMAT, like in my case lol.

If the question was what would you need to get into med, noone knows the cutoffs each year. There's always rumours floating around, true or not, about so-and-so got in with so-and-so marks. Looking at the distribution of marks this year, I'd say A+ in every paper and a 90+ percentile UMAT would put you in a good position for getting into med, and getting those marks are very possible.
 
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Thanks heaps for that skyglow1!
That was really helpful and kind of comforting! So someone aiming for med needs an A-/A/A+ GPA? (i think its called GPA lol, Grade Point Average or something isn't it? >_<") But could still go out a couple of times a week and enjoy themselves?

I'm kind of glad that we don't need to know that whole Biology book because its just about as large as an encyclopaedia lol XD

Thanks again :)
Lol you don't have to lug any textbooks to lectures.
 
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It's scary to see some people who still carry the massive HUBS book around and stuff, with all these post-it notes sticking out lol.

I didn't go out at all the whole year (under 18 and didn't feel like getting a fake ID or borrowing someone's ID, and I just didn't like the idea anyway lol), but I had alot of chill-out nights with friends on my floor and stuff which was such a needed break from studying. If you like going out then that's fine as long as you don't go overboard with the alcohol, although I highly doubt you're a student that'd be that irresponsible anyway :D
 
Hey guys

I'm going to Otago next year in the hopes of getting into Dentistry. I completed CIE A2 English, Maths, Chem and Bio. I've been searching for some HSFY books for background reading before I start the course so I can get a head start, but according to sources from this thread it seems that lecture powerpoints are more concise and useful. I was just wondering, could you guys give me some helpful hints on what I should be doing these holidays to give myself an advantage over others for next year? How should I be spending my time? Btw skyglow, this is pretty random but i actually know who you are :D (CENSORED)? I kinda figured after reading your hsfy results and umat score as well as ur CIE results. Anyways, please let me know what I should be doing these holidays to prepare for next year and, if possible, could you please provide me with some past exam papers / lecture notes or powerpoints?

I still have tonnes more questions I want to ask!! =]

Oh yeah...and i'm going to Aquinas College. What is the atmosphere like over there? Is it party-oriented or study focused? Is it really as far away from the University as people say it is and is there free transport services to and from the university? I know colleges don't really affect your position of getting into med / dent, but I'm really concerned about the reputation of the college being small and isolated from the rest. Is that a good or bad thing? What are the people like there?
 
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Hello koochkooch,
Seeing as you did CIE bio and chem, that prepares you very well for the HUBS, CHEM, CELS, and BIOC papers. What level have you done physics to? In my opinion you should be focussing on things like setting goals and figuring our what motivates you to study. You need to figure that sort of stuff out now really well, because you don't want to be unmotivated when you get to Dunedin. When you start the course you'll want to be really clear in your head as to why you're in Dunedin and why you're putting yourself through hell in the first place. You also need to start figuring out really clear reasons as to why you want to do dentistry, which will motivate you and also help you in the interview later in the year.

Also a bit of UMAT preparation can't hurt. Reading difficult passages of writing to prepare for section 1 and reading novels for section 2 will help you keep your mind sharp so you don't rot over the holidays lol.

Another thing you can do is try and figure out a system of note taking that works for you. Figure out things like how are you going to take notes in lectures? Pen and paper? Laptop? Unless you write really fast you won't be able to get down everything that's on the slides (slide are provided separately after the lecture for you to download) and also what the lecturer is saying, so you have to take that into account. How are you going to format and organise your notes? Are you going to use diagrams? etc etc. You may need to change your method when you get to Duendin for whatever reasons but it's good to have an idea of what you're going to do now.

Also you should be getting in as much sleep/rest as possible if you can, and just be as healthy as possible by exercising and eating well. Try and get into a normalish and regular sleep schedule if you aren't already.

And yeah I am (CENSORED) O_O (CENSORED) :D

I have all the powerpoints on my computer, but the problem with handing them out is that the notes change from year to year, and there's no telling how much they'll change from this year to next year. If you really do want them, then send me a private message.

I went to Aquinas this year and I'll be back as a second-year student, nice to seem someone coming there :D! This year there were almost 2 distinct groups: all the health sci people and then everyone who wasn't in health sci lol. Te health sci people are fairly study orientated. Those who weren't doing health sci were less study orientated but they were not totally crazy party people or anything. Overall everyone is nice and there's not too much noise unless you land in the middle of a bad floor. If you want a good atsmosphere then get an alcohol-free floor. I was on an alcohol-free floor this year and there were tons of other health scis on my floor, and it was pretty quiet.

From college to uni it's about 15 mins walk. When I wasn't lazy I would walk to Uni for morning lectures and it's not bad at all. Walking to Uni is a great way to get seom exercise, clear your head, and enjoy the gardens because you can go through the gardens to get to Uni. I never walked from Uni back to college because that is a whole different story lol. Yup there are free shuttles, but from what I heard next year they may run only hourly (this year they left every half-hour from the college and Uni).

In my opinion small is good because you get to know more people in your college. Isolated is also good because you feel like you can get away from Uni after having a boring day of lectures. The staff here are uber friendly, and the people in general are really friendly too. I'm sure you'll have a great time there :)
 
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Thanks a LOT for this response. I haven't actually done physics since 4th form, which is a bit of an issue, but I'm doing as you told me: I'm reading up on AS Physics. Btw, do you recommend your favourite AS text book(s) that cover the information in the CIE syllabus. Atm i'm reading Physics 1 Cambridge Advanced Sciences. It's the OCR book, i'm sure your familiar with it. I went to (CENSORED), I'm (CENSORED) friend lol. I remember you gave us a lecture on Otago and HSFY in (CENSORED) class :D haha.

But yeah, it will be awesome meeting with you next year. I am currently sorting out my priorities and the reasons why I'm doing Dent etc. I'm writing up a list of goals and sticking them on my wall so I'll remain motivated for the entire holidays. As for the note-taking method, I try something new every year for variety, so I think I'm gonna apply your approach of re-writing notes on refill.

Is it really true that the walk from Aquinas to Uni is only 15mins? I have heard otherwise, but if you say its true, then it must be. How often does it rain over there?

Also, you know how in CIE they provide like 7 years of past papers, and simplying completing question papers and memorising marking schemes could gain you a low to mid A (bare minimum), is it similar in Otago? Do they provide a wide range of past papers like CIE does and are they really AS helpful? What about marking schemes?

On the UMAT advice, how should I be preparing for section 3?
 
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I can't remember what I did to study for AS physics (I did it as an offline subject). I probably used a textbook but I have no clue which one because it was too long ago lol. I think I mainly just studied from the curriculumn and it turned out fine. If you could get your hands on the past papers for AS physics and do some of them that'd be good. Just learn everything in the curriculumn lol. It covers the PHSI191 paper really well.

Ah yeah that would explain it :D Lol sorry I told you guys I didn't have the lecture notes, cause I found out some time later that I had kept them on this random USB key. Some of the guys looked so disappointed lol.

It'll be cool to have someone from westlake :D All the other westlake guys went to knox :(

Ya that's good just make sure to keep reviewing, changing and improving your goals and so on. Self-assessment is really important if you want to do well, applied to both your goals and to your study techniques. Be careful with that re-writing notes. It can be very very unproductive. Maybe you could try it a bit with mock AS physics notes. If I didn't concentrate on actually memorising what I was reading and then trying to write it out, I went into a mode where I was just copying from one page to another which doesn't help at all. Again self-assessment is so important. If it's not working you need to be able to identify that and make changes.

I timed how long it took me to walk because I was so worried about being late and stuff. It took me 15 mins to walk at a decent pace, and if I walked faster then I could get there in just over 10 mins. If it's a relaxing chat walk, like when we were on the way to tests and trying to be calm, then it can take 20-25 mins.

It hardly ever rains. Raining is the exeception rather than the rule (at least for this year it was). Out of 7 days of the week, 3-4 would be perfect sunny days with no clouds in the sky at all. I found out the hard way by getting sunburnt :P

No it's not similar at all. Most of the papers in the new HSFY curriculumn were written in 2007 I think or something like that. For most of the papers there's only the 2007 papers, but you'll have the 2008 ones too. That's not much to work off, plus they hardly ever release mark schemes (the were only answers to the HUBS papers from what I remember). When they do release answers for things like study questions, it's like Christmas, but that hardly ever happens. If you want past papers you'd have to rely on going to the older papers like BIOL that the new HSFY papers replaced. They are alright for testing your knowledge, but again no answers. Short answer: really limited past paper material compared to CIE. I didn't even have time to do them although I really wanted to. I was struggling with learning all the material in the first place (turned out to be a better use of time I think).

Section 3 you can do those IQ tests things like Mensa's test where they ask for what's next in the order. This section is only worth 10% of your UMAT mark when it comes to Otago, so I didn't bother much with preparing for it. Although you still need to get a minimum score in each section (I think about 50-60 percentile in each section, but noone knows the exact number) for dent so you can't bomb out on it.
 
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Thanks so much skyglow1 and Arutha for your replies!
I'm just starting to realise how hard I'm going to need to work next year, its kind of scary (but exciting at the same time lol) :)
And phew thats a relief about not having to carry textbooks around lol XD

Thanks again for your help, its much appreciated n.n
 
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