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Why is UMAT so effin sh*t? It screws up even the smartest of people, its a pain in the ****.
How the hell can putting shapes in a pattern tell how good a doctor you will make?
Maybe scrap UMAT and have interviews to get rid of some of the nutters who get 100th percentile cos they are so freakin weird (not saying all who get high UMATs are weird, but you get what I mean):huh:
 
Yeah, I know that if I had passed UMAT last year, I would have got in. I dont know what's gonna happen this year, maybe the competition is much stronger. Anyway, I cannot afford to be optimistic.
 
Why is UMAT so effin sh*t? It screws up even the smartest of people, its a pain in the ****.
How the hell can putting shapes in a pattern tell how good a doctor you will make?
Maybe scrap UMAT and have interviews to get rid of some of the nutters who get 100th percentile cos they are so freakin weird (not saying all who get high UMATs are weird, but you get what I mean):huh:

LOL totally agree with you, already had the biggest rant about UMATS but like always theres nothing we can do.
I told the OUSA health sci representative hopeful that if he could convince them to scrap UMATS me and a lot of people would vote him.
 
Though I'm going to smash UMAT in 2010/2011 and get in haha

haha yea, fully keen on owning UMATS next year that damn thing. Skyglow, I think I'm gonna do what that other crazy guy you told me did last year, how he did 2 hours of UMAT practice everyday and got 100th percentile... or maybe like that girl who did the same thing and got 0-20th percentile... -_-
 
haha yea, fully keen on owning UMATS next year that damn thing. Skyglow, I think I'm gonna do what that other crazy guy you told me did last year, how he did 2 hours of UMAT practice everyday and got 100th percentile... or maybe like that girl who did the same thing and got 0-20th percentile... -_-

Well...as long as you understand what things help and what don't.

NZ medical students association is actually conducting a survey looking at med student opinions about UMAT:

[offtopic]Dear Medical Students,

Thank you very much to all of you who have shown an interest in the UMAT: students? perceptions survey.

To recap quickly, the New Zealand Medical Students? Association is conducting a survey about what are students? perceptions on sitting the undergraduate medical aptitude test as part of the selection criteria for entering medical school.

This survey is to determine students? perception of UMAT.

The online survey has now been opened and we would greatly appreciate it if you could please take the time to fill it in. It will take no more than 5 minutes, and anonymity and confidentiality are assured. The survey will be open for the next two weeks.

It can be found at www.nzmsa.org.nz/umat/umat.htm
(https://www.nzmsa.org.nz/umat/umat.htm) .

We recommend the use of Internet Explorer or Google Chrome for best access to this survey. If you have any questions about the survey process then please send an email to [email protected]. Furthermore, if you would like to re-read the details of this study as per our last email, please find them below.

Title of the research:

UMAT: A Student Survey of an Aptitude Test used in selecting Medical Students
Assoc Prof Phillippa Poole (Head, Medical Education Division, School of Medicine, University of Auckland), Prof Tim Wilkinson (Chair, Curriculum Committee, Medical Education Unit, University of Otago) Divya Dhar (Vice President of the New Zealand Medical Students? Association), William Perry (President of the New Zealand Medical Students? Association) and Sylvia Ross (BSc graduate and fourth year medical student at the University of Otago) would like to invite you to participate in the evaluation of the Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test, you would have all sat as part of your prerequisite to applying for medical school.

New Zealand medical schools selection process has changed considerably in the last decade. The University of Otago and Auckland introduced the undergraduate medical aptitude test (UMAT) in 2003 and 2004 respectively as part of the selection criteria. The sole use of cognitive tests such as the GPA is not ideal, as it lacks distinguishing ability as more and more applicants gain a near perfect score. Besides, the problem of indistinguishable GPA scores, medical schools are under increasing pressure to select students that will best reflect the social, ethnic and cultural backgrounds of society. High academic thresholds may be a barrier for those from disadvantaged groups. Medical schools aim to attract students that can withstand the rigorous academic standards of an undergraduate medical education as well as become doctors displaying excellent clinical competence and professionalism. The UMAT test has been designed to take these concerns into account and improve distinguishing ability. Till date, no studies have looked at its impacts on student welfare. The New Zealand Medical Students? Association would like to conduct this survey to determine students? perceptions of UMAT.

This study will be helpful in determining:
a) the financial impact of sitting UMAT on an applicant
b) the level of stress perceived in sitting UMAT
c) what students perceptions are about the overall value of using UMAT in medical school selection criteria.

This anonymous questionnaire is designed to gather some information on your perceptions around the impacts and value of the UMAT assessment.
For all these questions there are no right or wrong answers - an answer is correct if it is true for you. We are most interested in your own opinion. Please choose the response that best fits with your circumstances.

All of the information you give us is anonymous and will be used only for the purposes of the study. You are able to withdraw from the survey up until you press the final submit button. Once the anonymous questionnaire has been submitted in no information can be withdrawn. It is anticipated that findings from this research will be published in a peer reviewed journal and presented to the admissions committees of both medical schools. A summary of the result could be made available to you if at the end of the survey you indicate that you would like to receive this. Electronic analysis of the data will be stored on the university server. Only Assoc Prof Phillippa Poole. Prof Tim Wilkinson, Divya Dhar, Sylvia Ross, William Perry and a nominated university statistician will have access to the electronic files. After six years electronic records will be deleted.

While we hope you will take the time (approximately 5 minutes) to complete this evaluation it is your choice to participate in this evaluation or not. Neither Assoc Prof Phillippa Poole, Prof Tim Wilkinson, Divya Dhar, William Perry or Sylvia Ross will know whether or not you have completed the evaluation. Funding for a summer studentship grant will be applied to the New Zealand Medical Association.


For Ethical concerns contact: The Chair, The University of Auckland Human Participants Ethics Committee, The University of Auckland, Level 3, 76 Symonds Street, Private Bag 92019, Auckland. Tel: 3737599 extn. 83711.


Thank you for considering participation in this evaluation.


Many thanks,

The UMAT Survey Team
Divya Dhar, Sylvia Ross, William Perry, Assoc Prof Phillippa Poole and Prof Tim Wilkinson[/offtopic]
 
I did that survey, not doing med, but can't hurt to rip it apart.

I did all that I thought would help, doesn't help though haha.
Next year I will do m*d ent*y and see if that helps, altho I had all of last year practice tests and did really well in them. Just frustrating really.
 
Next year I will do m*d ent*y and see if that helps

Don't bother man...You only need 25th+ percentile in each section, and that course is UTTERLY useless. I practiced for 7~ months doing drills and exams. It helps with s3 but absolutely nothing else. Save your money.
 
Ok fair enough, just duno how else I could improve after practising so much. Oh well. Had my dent interview today
 
Next year I will do m*d ent*y and see if that helps, altho I had all of last year practice tests and did really well in them. Just frustrating really.

Yea I was thinking that I would buy the course and maybe start practicing in the holidays. Other then section 2 practice which I actually think is detrimental, section 1 and 3 have been pretty good for me, not quite sure though. $500 though so I dunno...
Any thoughts or recommendations for UMAT practice? <_<
 
Nah I'm white and I did poorly....actually I have no idea how I did. Go to the UMAT Remarking thread if you want to read about my shitty situation.

I reckon they just randomly assign a name to a percentile, like oh John Smith, we'll give him 94th percentile.
 
Apply to UTAS

Hey guys,

remember to apply to UTAS in Tasmania. entry standards are pretty low but the course and most teachers are high quality(yy) theres at least 5 kiwis in first yr and a lot of other kids came with previous uni experience.

apply ASAP :D
 
Hey guys,

remember to apply to UTAS in Tasmania. entry standards are pretty low but the course and most teachers are high quality(yy) theres at least 5 kiwis in first yr and a lot of other kids came with previous uni experience.

apply ASAP :D

For some reason, medicine doesn't seem to be a selectable option when I apply...
 
24/25, what about you?

Have you seen the feedback - the average was only 60% (15/25)! This is consistent with some people I've been talking to - definately the worst results for a HUBS test this year...

Looking through it as well, looks like I lost my mark in one of the GI anatomy questions - very ambiguous wording! Something to look out for in the exam I suppose...
 
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