So ranking based on length of degree won't be a half bad idea? I'm also suprised that griffith has such a short program compared to the others (excluding JCU because you also need to submit an application form for that). Thanks LMG!
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You can do some kind of accelerated undergrad Clin Sci degree at Griffith if you’re in provisional Med, I believe. I don’t think you HAVE to do it (Crow, correct me if I’m wrong), and it’s not open to non-provisional Med students.
with the bphil direct entry medicine you can choose any major from any of the 4 other degrees and obviously a second major as UWA offers so if you select the medical science major that will cut a year off your postgraduate MD course for a 4+3 = 7 year course. but even for a bmedsci course you can select something other than medical science as your major and then you will have to do a 3 + 4 = 7 year course because you don't have that background knowledge. if you end up doing the medical science major in the bmedsci then you will do a 3 + 3 course as usual
Ok so as I understand it from you then: what matters is the medical science major. However you do it, whether that is through the bmedsci or the bphil, both will grant you the 1 year off in the MD. However, the Bphil is naturally longer anyway due to the honours year, and so it will always be at least 1 year longer than the standard 3+3. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
At GU it's BMedSc, only prov meds can & they must enrol in this course, no other choice.
For UQ you put the Med options into your pref list. Don't worry about the choice for undergrad for now, you do that after you've been given a prov offer. (I often dare them to nominate Dent for undergrad haha, UQ is the only uni in Aus where undergrad Dent & grad Med are available together).
As for separate unbonded & bonded, several schools used to do that and it helped. You could place them in order school A unbonded, B unbonded, A bonded. Now you can only put A then B and could be offered A bonded in front of B unbonded.
Reason being Griffith is a graduate entry program (same with UWA and Flinders) - you’ll still require 6 years of study before graduating.
Worth noting Griffith doesn’t allocate bonded/unbonded positions when releasing provisional entry offers - they get allocated the end of the undergraduate degree based on GPA. (As much as it hurts me to say this) if I was you I’d probably be preferencing JCU and UQ unbonded above Griffith in my preferences.
So would 1.UQ unbonded, 2. JCU 3&4. Griffith nathan/gold coast 5. usc 6. uq bonded work?
Also, I see in UAC that griffith shows up on the selector, but only medical science in the Gold Coast, but not Nathan? Should I double up and have griffith gc on both uac and qtac, or put it in one but not the other?
What is the difference between nathan and gc for griffith? I know that gold coast's cutoffs are higher, but surely more people would rather live in Brisbane than on the gold coast?
I sent an interesting question to UNSW last night regarding credit for previous studies and will update y’all on how they respond.
It went something like this:
- Unsw Med sci students can gain lateral entry to year 4 of the Med degree after finishing their 3 year Med sci course
- in years 1 & 2, they do specific subjects the uni tells them to do & year 3 they do a major of their choice
- I’m in UNSW & I’ve done pretty much all the Med sci courses (I’m not in Med sci myself) & will satisfy the exact year 3 major requirements that Med sci students do
QUESTION: if Med sci students are able to enter 4th year with their previously completed study, Will I get credit for some of my study given that Med sci lateral entry students are getting credit for the exact same subjects? (I also listed every single subject I did & highlighted those subjects which are common with Med sci students)
Tbh I don’t see why they wouldn’t give me credit for at least some of my courses. On their FAQ page, it reads this under the question “can credit be given for previous study?”:
Due to the structure of the curriculum, few if any credits can be granted to students transferring after partly completing or completing another degree. Exemption from all or part of the requirement to undertake 12 Units of Credit of General Education courses will be considered and granted when applicable.
It’s not a straight up NO so there might be a chance to reduce the length of the course maybe? Would be easily my top preference if the degree can be shortened a bit.
It went something like this:
- Unsw Med sci students can gain lateral entry to year 4 of the Med degree after finishing their 3 year Med sci course
- in years 1 & 2, they do specific subjects the uni tells them to do & year 3 they do a major of their choice
- I’m in UNSW & I’ve done pretty much all the Med sci courses (I’m not in Med sci myself) & will satisfy the exact year 3 major requirements that Med sci students do
QUESTION: if Med sci students are able to enter 4th year with their previously completed study, Will I get credit for some of my study given that Med sci lateral entry students are getting credit for the exact same subjects? (I also listed every single subject I did & highlighted those subjects which are common with Med sci students)
Tbh I don’t see why they wouldn’t give me credit for at least some of my courses. On their FAQ page, it reads this under the question “can credit be given for previous study?”:
Due to the structure of the curriculum, few if any credits can be granted to students transferring after partly completing or completing another degree. Exemption from all or part of the requirement to undertake 12 Units of Credit of General Education courses will be considered and granted when applicable.
It’s not a straight up NO so there might be a chance to reduce the length of the course maybe? Would be easily my top preference if the degree can be shortened a bit.
Yes, so long as you’re happy to do the extra year at UQ (and only 4 years actually studying medicine) compared with JCU and Griffith (also only 4 years in medicine). Personally I’d put JCU first but only because their program very much appeals to my own interests and they get to do placements right from their first year at uni. Naturally your preferences are completely up to you.
Doesn’t matter either way. I think Griffith prefers you not to preference in both UAC and QTAC but it won’t influence anything other than you finding out if you got a Griffith offer a little earlier through UAC than QTAC (traditionally UAC offers come out earlier than QTAC).
No major difference other than location. And LOL at that second comment (hope Yamster doesn’t see this
) - I definitely disagree with you there but of course this is again personal preference.kumquat999
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Maybe this will come off as shallow, but which universities with undergraduate medicine in Australia have the best campus life? Heard that WSU was a lil bit restricted in terms of socialising because their campus only has Pharmo and nursing students.
That's a very subjective question and one that will be very difficult to answer, given most people on here haven't studied at more than one university, let alone more than one university that also offers medicine.
What exactly do you mean by campus life?
WSU Campbelltown campus, according to my best friend & also according to my cousin, is gloomy and there isn’t much social aspect to it. Reason is as you said that there’s only a few things taught there including nursing & paramedicine. Campbelltown itself is a normal suburb so if you’re someone that likes the city with lots of people around, WSU Campbelltown wouldn’t be something that would tickle your social bones.
Personally I heavily weigh the social aspect of the uni I’m applying to when it comes to choosing where I want to go. With medicine, almost all applicants are beggars & so don’t get to choose where they’re accepted but if I do happen to get a choice then I’d choose a uni with a nice social environment. Make sure you ask current students what they think & don’t take what I said as solid fact.
Each med uni according to my limited understanding always has a tight knit medical society so that’s a community you can expect to be present at any uni you go to.
That’s enough of me giving my non-medical student perspective. Read this to see what actual medical students say
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what ucat and OP combination would be the bare minimum to receiving an offer/interview invite as an interstate student from qld?
also, what universities require a written component to the application (apart from JCU)?
also, what universities require a written component to the application (apart from JCU)?
Take a look at our interview and offers sub-forums for the collated data of scores receiving interviews and place offers at various unis last year. Apart from Monash (and perhaps UWA) you shouldn’t require any different score combinations to applicants from other states.
For undergraduate universities, only JCU requires a written application as far as I’m aware (unless you’re a rural applicant, in which a written application forms a big part of the assessment criteria at UTAS if I’m not mistaken). UNSW requires you to fill out a questionnaire of sorts also, but this isn’t for interview selection per se, but rather to give the interviewers some background about you prior to an interview if you receive one.
ETA: If you aren’t already aware, an OP1 is equivalent to a 99+ ATAR. You can request a specific ATAR equivalent from QTAC when your OP is released if you wish. An OP to ATAR conversion table is easily found online too, if you need one.
Hey all quick question (I don't know if this question is appropriate here), but I've done my UAC application today and I received an email saying that there has been an automatic EAS application submitted by UAC as my residential address has been identified as being in a low SES area.
How does being an EAS applicant affect my chances in applying to say, UNSW/WSU/JMP? Will it benefit me a great deal?
WAM/GPA is 71/5.75, UCAT is ~ 93, ATAR was 99.05
How does being an EAS applicant affect my chances in applying to say, UNSW/WSU/JMP? Will it benefit me a great deal?
WAM/GPA is 71/5.75, UCAT is ~ 93, ATAR was 99.05
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kumquat999
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Is a 5.0 GPA hard to get? Does that mean you still have to toil your arse off in the uni course?
UNSW - you'll be placed into a separate applicant pool IIRC (which will have lower entry requirements - check our interview/offers sub-forums for past scores that those with EAS had).
WSU and JMP - I don't believe they have bonuses for EAS students so it won't have any impact on your chances.
Subjective question, but generally speaking, it shouldn't be too much of an issue for those who have received a 99+ ATAR, provided they are willing to put in the work.
University is a different style of learning and assessment to high school, and some struggle with the adjustment, but I'd say it should be pretty manageable in a medical science degree for a high achiever.
ETA: At Griffith you should actually still be motivated to put in the work because if your GPA is in the bottom 28.5% of students in your cohort by the end of the undergraduate degree, then you'll be allocated a BMP position rather than a CSP.
it’ll lift your ATAR to 99.95
I wrote a formal complaint to UNSW which resulted in them telling me what bonuses do & how they work to help students gain entry. EAS due to school location is DEFINITELY +3 ATAR, financial disadvantage is DEFINITELY +1 ATAR. Other disadvantages I’d imagine range from +1 to +3 ATAR.
Uni marks are usually never given special consideration unless something like both your hands broke & you couldn’t type.
Myth: you are placed into separate applicant pool.
Fact: you are given a ‘generous’ (not sure how it’s generous if you’ve lived a life of disadvantage & UAC amounts all that disadvantage and hardships to something like a +3 atar boost but yeah that’s another conversation) bonus for your ATAR
Edit: personally I received a +4 boost to my ATAR, I could’ve received more but there’s no point providing extra documents since EAS due to school location itself is enough to get me to 99.95
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