Quick Questions Thread: 2018

[Crow]

would they able to sit the GAMSAT, in March of their 2nd year?

Acer doesn't care when you sit GAMSAT (some people do it in the first year of their degrees) but as above, unless you are going to graduate with a BSc at end of your third year then there's no point, as your score expires after two years. If you are going to graduate with your first degree after 4 years, you could do UK GAMSAT in September of 2nd year and that score would count in the application round 2 years later.

 

[greengem]

So for JMP, I would need a 61-50-50 UMAT score w/ a 6.5+ GPA to have a decent shot at making it via non-standard non-rural? I heard there are two campuses/programmes Armidale and Newcastle? But when I go on to the site for Armidale it redirects me to Newcastle. Last year I hit 60 in section one and mid to high 50s in section 2 and 3. So hopefully I can do that again/improve. If it is 80% for a 7GPA, I can hopefully bring my GPA up to 6.7ish by the end of the year, if it's 85% then i can hopefully try and bring my GPA up to a 6.5ish. Does a higher GPA in JMP matter though as I've heard it's just a threshold and then you're judged on section 1 UMAT + interview?

For JCU I see that it is very rural based/preferred, and I don't have much rural experience. However, I do have family that live in rural areas in NZ (not me though) and around 4 are health professionals which I really look up to for the difference they make in their communities, is that the sort of thing I should include in the statement. Thanks! and sorry for so many questions recently XD Really appreciate it though, would seriously not know anything without this forum!

 

[DrDrLMG!]

So for JMP, I would need a 61-50-50 UMAT score w/ a 6.5+ GPA to have a decent shot at making it via non-standard non-rural? I heard there are two campuses/programmes Armidale and Newcastle? But when I go on to the site for Armidale it redirects me to Newcastle. Last year I hit 60 in section one and mid to high 50s in section 2 and 3. So hopefully I can do that again/improve. If it is 80% for a 7GPA, I can hopefully bring my GPA up to 6.7ish by the end of the year, if it's 85% then i can hopefully try and bring my GPA up to a 6.5ish. Does a higher GPA in JMP matter though as I've heard it's just a threshold and then you're judged on section 1 UMAT + interview?

For JCU I see that it is very rural based/preferred, and I don't have much rural experience. However, I do have family that live in rural areas in NZ (not me though) and around 4 are health professionals which I really look up to for the difference they make in their communities, is that the sort of thing I should include in the statement. Thanks! and sorry for so many questions recently XD Really appreciate it though, would seriously not know anything without this forum!

This year, a JMP interview spot required a UMAT of 58/50/50. And yep, as mentioned above (perhaps to the other user asking similar questions), you could have that UMAT and a GPA right on the cut off and be in exactly the same position as someone with a UMAT at the 100th%ile and a GPA of 7.00. They are hurdle requirements.

I’ve never done a JCU application so can’t help there. I suggest you check out the JCU specific threads as there is a lot of information in them already.

 

[A1]

If it is 80% for a 7GPA, I can hopefully bring my GPA up to 6.7ish by the end of the year, if it's 85% then i can hopefully try and bring my GPA up to a 6.5ish.

80+ for GPA7 is more to do with applying for grad entry via GEMSAS. Since JMP uses UAC we should refer to this page instead
> UAC Postgraduate - Qualification assessment

I can't 100% understand what it says - for you does it use the 3rd column under Methodology A= 6.5, or as under Overseas quals where the description totally baffles me (need biom to help decipher here). Not that it matters with JMP as you will comfortably make the GPA hurdle but it will matter with UNSW if you apply there.

 

[biom]

80+ for GPA7 is more to do with applying for grad entry via GEMSAS. Since JMP uses UAC we should refer to this page instead
> UAC Postgraduate - Qualification assessment

I can't 100% understand what it says - for you does it use the 3rd column under Methodology A= 6.5, or as under Overseas quals where the description totally baffles me.

I think the answer to this question is ... contact UAC. They say that the table provided shows examples only.

 

[greengem]

I think the answer to this question is ... contact UAC. They say that the table provided shows examples only.

Will do! thanks guys/gals!

 

[kevvy1209]

It can differ from Uni to Uni so you might want to check. I know UTAS (who aren’t taking non-standards as of this year unfortunately), just look at your last three full time equivalent semesters. JMP might just look at your last two full time equivalent semesters (I think - based on @lbog’s entry to that program). For an incomplete degree, WSU will use whatever is currently higher, your ATAR or your GPA.

Some universities have 85%+ = HD = 7.00 (rather than 80%+) so that would also be something to double check.

And yes, you can definitely use an incomplete degree for Bond, UNSW, JCU, WSU, and JMP. A complete degree is needed for GAMSAT unis and Curtin.

Hey there, thanks so much for the reply. Sorry I’m a bit late in saying thanks ahah forgot that I had posted here. I got a UMAT 69%ile last year with a 55 in section 1, 63 in section 3 and a 48 in section 2. I feel as though I didn’t do my best during the exam, I was sick during he exam and barely did 3/4 of the exam but I don’t know but I have a feeling I can improve through practice as the main struggle with UMAT for me was reading the questions rather than the thinking aspect. I lose concentration and interest really fast and im not a great reader never read a lot as a kid. So with your advice, would it be more beneficial to focus on UMAT prep until the date. The lowest I think I could do for not putting all my time into uni work is a GPA 6 for semester one and I might be able to outweigh it in semester 2. Also do you know the exact hurdle scores for WSU and JMP. Thank so much again.

 

[A1]

Hey there, thanks so much for the reply. Sorry I’m a bit late in saying thanks ahah forgot that I had posted here. I got a UMAT 69%ile last year with a 55 in section 1, 63 in section 3 and a 48 in section 2. I feel as though I didn’t do my best during the exam, I was sick during he exam and barely did 3/4 of the exam but I don’t know but I have a feeling I can improve through practice as the main struggle with UMAT for me was reading the questions rather than the thinking aspect. I lose concentration and interest really fast and im not a great reader never read a lot as a kid. So with your advice, would it be more beneficial to focus on UMAT prep until the date. The lowest I think I could do for not putting all my time into uni work is a GPA 6 for semester one and I might be able to outweigh it in semester 2. Also do you know the exact hurdle scores for WSU and JMP. Thank so much again.

> [Undergrad] - 2017-18 Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

JMP says GPA "close to Credit", your 6+ will be plenty.
WSU: you are eligible with ATAR 98.95, GPA won't matter.

UNSW: with 90%ile you'd need ATAR equivalent at least 99.2, so GPA >6.5 to hopefully boost your 98.95 to 99.2+

That said, despite JMP/WSU not requiring high GPA you should not sacrifice it in case you need to use for grad entry in two years time.

 

[kevvy1209]

> [Undergrad] - 2017-18 Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

JMP says GPA "close to Credit", your 6+ will be plenty.
WSU: you are eligible with ATAR 98.95, GPA won't matter.

UNSW: with 90%ile you'd need ATAR equivalent at least 99.2, so GPA >6.5 to hopefully boost your 98.95 to 99.2+

That said, despite JMP/WSU not requiring high GPA you should not sacrifice it in case you need to use for grad entry in two years time.

Thanks for the reply . So just to confirm WSU takes either GPA Or ATAR since my atar is high enough it wouldn’t matter? Thanks again

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Thanks for the reply . So just to confirm WSU takes either GPA Or ATAR since my atar is high enough it wouldn’t matter? Thanks again

Yes, but only until the point you complete your degree. Then it will use your GPA.

 

[HKevin]

Hi, I'm currently studying a Bachelor of Medical Science in Sydney and I want to transfer into medicine after my first year of university. Whats a good UMAT and GPA range in order to transfer and what universities can i apply to this year? Thanks.

 

[A1]

Hi welcome to MSO. You can apply to JCU, JMP, WSU & UNSW as a non-standard applicant, their requirements are listed in this table
> [Undergrad] - 2017-18 Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

After viewing the table if you have more questions feel free to post them up again.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hi, I'm currently studying a Bachelor of Medical Science in Sydney and I want to transfer into medicine after my first year of university. Whats a good UMAT and GPA range in order to transfer and what universities can i apply to this year? Thanks.

Look through the posts just prior to yours in this thread for the same question and multiple responses.

As A1 said, if you have further questions, please let us know, but have a look around first.

 

[Yamster]

Hi, I'm currently studying a Bachelor of Medical Science in Sydney and I want to transfer into medicine after my first year of university. Whats a good UMAT and GPA range in order to transfer and what universities can i apply to this year? Thanks.

Hey HKevin, welcome to MSO!

That's a pretty broad question but I guess you were expecting an answer which would cover most universities too? 6.5+ for UWS based on 1 semester (and a semester of a full course-load but ideally you'd like to have at least a year of a full course-load to apply to other universities too). That would be enough for the other uni's too (maybe not so much a guarantee however if you're applying for combination GPA/ATAR universities like UNSW/Bond) and a 95%ile UMAT would be a good range I guess?

Again, the questions pretty broad and there are different universities with lower UTAR and/or GPA requirements (JMP's 61 S1/50/50 requirement (58 this preceding year) w/credit average jumps to mind) but the aforementioned scores should cover your basis quite well (I think!!).

All the best with your academic goals.

ETA: Bond doesn't take UMAT scores but it's still a combination of UMAT/ATAR if you only have partial tertiary studies.

ETA2: These things have already been discussed on this very forum page as LMG has stated... My fault for reading threads from bottom to top lol but yeah, probably best to at least reading the preceding posts (or just having a browse in the offers forum in general - LMG's collated offers table which is sticky'd to the top of the offers forum is a good place to start in regards to your specific question).

 

[MedHope]

Hi LMG & Others,

I am doing my second year B. Med Res at UTas. I would like to apply for Graduate-Entry Medicine through GAMSAT after completion of my degree at the end of 2019 (Also, I plan to take UMAT 2019 for admission to Medicine at UTas). I have a few questions:

a) Does three years study in Hobart enough to be considered as 'rural' by UTas ?
b) Do I stand any advantage if I move to an address in inner regional town (say for instance to a place like 'Sorrel' which is more rural than Hobart) and drive to UTas ?
b) Do other interstate universities offering Graduate-Entry Medicine give any additional weightage for three years stay in Tasmania (i.e. three years at UTas)?

I look forward to your input. Thanks.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hi LMG & Others,

I am doing my second year B. Med Res at UTas. I would like to apply for Graduate-Entry Medicine through GAMSAT after completion of my degree at the end of 2019 (Also, I plan to take UMAT 2019 for admission to Medicine at UTas). I have a few questions:

a) Does three years study in Hobart enough to be considered as 'rural' by UTas ?
b) Do I stand any advantage if I move to an address in inner regional town (say for instance to a place like 'Sorrel' which is more rural than Hobart) and drive to UTas ?
b) Do other interstate universities offering Graduate-Entry Medicine give any additional weightage for three years stay in Tasmania (i.e. three years at UTas)?

I look forward to your input. Thanks.

Hello!

a) No. You need to have lived for five years rurally in a row, or 10 years cumulatively, to be considered rural for UTAS (and most other universities).
b) No. Sorell is not considered any more rural than Hobart for the purposes of qualifying as a rural applicant at UTAS (or WSU, JCU, UNSW and JMP for that matter). In your situation, the problem isn't your location, it's the length of time you've spent there...
c - I assume you meant ) No. See above. You need 5 years in a row, or 10 years cumulatively, in a rural location to classify as a rural applicant.

 

[Yamster]

LMG!, so are the people who moved to UTAS from other urban cities to study B.MedRes inherently disadvantaged for UTAS's B.MedRes -> Medicine pathway due to the fact that they won't be considered rural vs. the rest of their Tasmanian peers?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

LMG!, so are the people who moved to UTAS from other urban cities to study B.MedRes inherently disadvantaged for UTAS's B.MedRes -> Medicine pathway due to the fact that they won't be considered rural vs. the rest of their Tasmanian peers?

I guess it depends on what you mean by 'disadvantaged'. Perhaps, the premise of offering rural places seperate to the general cohort is (in part*) due to the inherent 'disadvantage' experienced by those in that group to start with. If someone attended a selective high school in Sydney and then moved to Tasmania to study BMedRes for a couple of years, are they 'disadvantaged' compared to someone who studied at Sheffield High School (population: ~1500)?

I'm hesitant to use the term 'disadvantaged' in the way you are perhaps implying it above (correct me if I'm wrong), because it's a loaded term that can set up unhelpful comparisons in this context (eta: as we have seen on several occasions here at MSO previously). Removing it from your question (again, correct me if I've misinterpreted you): students who have moved to Tasmania from urban interstate locations (and with no previous rural living) will not be considered rural applicants for MBBS at UTAS. Students who have moved to Tasmania from rural locations, and Tasmanians who have lived locally for 5+ years, will be considered rural applicants for MBBS at UTAS. This is the same for interstate and local students everywhere else (ie. those with rural backgrounds will be considered rural, those without will not).

* the other part being to recruit students more likely to go on to study in rural locations, obviously.

NOTE: the above clearly doesn't include students who have accepted BMedRes GUARANTEED MBBS ENTRY offers, whether rural or non-rural.

 

[Yamster]

Yeah, I didn't think that far into it. I just meant in comparison to the rest of their class peers if they were specifically travelling to Tasmania just to do BMedRes to get into UTAS medicine.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Yeah, I didn't think that far into it. I just meant in comparison to the rest of their class peers if they were specifically travelling to Tasmania just to do BMedRes to get into UTAS medicine.

Yeah, I realise that, but I still hesitate at the use of 'disadvantage', if that makes sense. They're in the application pool that they're in based on their own personal background. If they were specifically travelling to Tasmania just to do BMedRes to get into UTAS medicine, they'd be competing with all other non-rural BMedRes students for a spot, just like they'll be competing with all other non-rural (and in some cases, non-standard) students for spots at UNSW, JMP, JCU, WSU, etc. I don't think it's a matter of advantage/disadvantage, rather, a matter of application pathway eligibility based on personal circumstances.