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Rural entry students will be expected to do phase 2+3 in Port/Wagga so its not like their whole degree will be in Kensington but that was not what I was saying. I was more saying if a member wished to go to the JMP/JPM OVER UNSW there is no harm in prefrencing them higher.
Oh yeah in that case sure. Main point of discussion was 'Why would most rural have UNSW first round... Its a six year course compared with a five year course...". Those myriad of reasons above is why. Rurals are made to to phase 2 AND/OR phase 3 in rural locations. And sure, best case scenario for most rurals is 4 years kensington (Both Phase 1 and 2 there) and 2 years of phase 3 in one of Albury-Wodonga, Coffs Harbour, Griffith, Port Macquarie and Wagga Wagga, (idk about you but 2 years in those places > 5 years in Armidale/Orange).
Although with this said, if you wanna go to JMP or WSU, just put it up. I feel like there is a bit too much overthinking going on with prefs. They are meant to be pref's for a reason, so put down where you wanna go most first and just go on from there. Its gonna be very rare for one person to qualify for multitudes of places anyway so it the vast majority of cases it doesnt even matter.
And the fact that the course is 5 years rather than 6
Am I right in saying the non-rural interview to offer ratio may also be slightly more than 1/3 for the same reason that people may get offers to UNSW/WSU or not reaching the academic cut-off?
Im not 100% sure, because i feel that if people reach the high cutoffs for non rural (93%ile for JMP and really high VR for WSU) id say there more likely to reach the academic hurdle than rural kids.
A1 did the math and if you are rural I think they hypothesised that with 3 interview invites (UNSW/WSU/JMP) you should have around a 1/2 chance of an offer anywhere due to double ups.
oh sheeesh thats pog, i should have 7 invites but i dont have WSU does that mean that i will still have 1/2 chance or will it be higher? Has anyone done the maths for more than 3 invites?
If you have UQ amongst your 7 I would assume so. This is because UQ over offered quite a bit to compensate for interstate rejections which should apply even more for rural students.
I dont have UQ which is unfortunate because im a gap year applicant
Yes and no, your chances go up the more interviews you get for sure but not by the same amount as if all those schools were in the same state/territory or more importantly if the schools in the same state have the same selection criteria. However with 7 interview invites I would say you'd have a pretty good chance likely higher than 1/2. Its also dependant on other factors so for example when it comes to UNSW if a rural student had a UCAT 90%ile+ a ATAR equiv 97.5+ and a rurality above RRMA 4 they likely would have a 80% chance of securing a place i.e. they would only need to score better than 20% of applicants due too how UNSW weights sections for an offer.
Wow thats so good, hopefully thats teh case
A1 did the mathematical analysis somewhere else and it looked like it checked out to me.
There would be very few who dont make the atar hurdle, its ≈91.5 (UNSW - 91, JMP - 91.4, WSU - 91.5) for rural candidates. I dont think itd be incorrect to assume that a significant majority of rurals would be achieving well above this. Of the 500 or so total applicants, I'd estimate ≈100 (max) to not make this cut off, so in that case, itd prolly be less 1/3 and more 1/4, which is about the same as locals.
Yea that’s fair enough, what I meant was, that not meeting the atar hurdle combined with people preferecning unsw and Jpm above would make it 1 in 3.
this is the primary reason
rather than this... although do remember MSO is full of high achievers and a 91 ATAR is still a high achieving student in the scheme of things (they have to be in the top 10% of their cohort?) and anyone who achieves this should be proud, I do agree though I only see it eliminating approximately 100 from the pool.
I guess for rurals its more so how many interstates are applying to your home state. I think the breakdown of the rural spots is like ≈120 NSW, ≈70 Vic, ≈40 SA, and ≈50 Qld. In this breakdown i feel like there is obviously a bias for students to want to study in their home states, which obviously makes sense, why would someone in SA choose a UNSW offer over a UAdel offer? (I'm sure some do, but its so few that we can kinda rule them out anyway). But with that said, i feel like a lot of Qld students prefer coming down to NSW (maybe this hypothesis is wrong, but the overwhelming majority on MSO from QLD seem to want to).
