Rural Eligibility and General Discussion

[DrDrLMG!]

Sorry for the confusion! Yes, I am referring to the JMP program and they gave a link to the website where you can see if you're eligible for the rural scheme and I wanted to know where I fit (although highly unlikely that I'm rural)

As it says on their website, JMP use the ASGS-RA 2016 classification system. If you go to the health workforce page (also linked on the JMP webpage) and select that system, then enter your address, it’ll give you the classification. I just did it for my address and it definitely works.

 

[cocodreams]

As it says on their website, JMP use the ASGS-RA 2016 classification system. If you go to the health workforce page (also linked on the JMP webpage) and select that system, then enter your address, it’ll give you the classification. I just did it for my address and it definitely works.

Oh I've tried it now and it works! I just had a bit of trouble navigating it. Thank you

 

[Samaneh.A]

Hello, I'm new here.
Does anybody knows what is rural UCAT cutoff for dentistry at UQ? I have a pretty low UCAT score (my predicted ATAR is 99+) and I'm so lost, should I even apply or not?? Thank you

 

[dotwingz]

I think rural only gets ATAR bonus points but not consideration on UCAT, so you will still likely need a high UCAT score


OTOH I’m pretty sure Griffith treats rural students in their own sub category so you will find more luck there

 

[Samaneh.A]

I think rural only gets ATAR bonus points but not consideration on UCAT, so you will still likely need a high UCAT score


OTOH I’m pretty sure Griffith treats rural students in their own sub category so you will find more luck there

alright thank you.
Another question, do you know if I can do another course at UQ for a year and do UCAT again and transfer to UQ dentistry?? Any other pathway? thank you so much

 

[dotwingz]

Yeah you can, you need to get a 7.0 GPA though

 

[pennystonk]

Hey guys, just checking what the usual "cut-off score" is for ATAR and UCAT for rural students?
Like obviously for general applicants UCAT is generally at 90th percentile + and ATAR is almost nearly 99+. Like these are the students who are generally competing for a spot right?
So how does this work with rural students? Cause I've heard some kids literally get interview offers with UCAT in the 40th and 50th percentiles and really low ATARS (like 91). Does it just drastically vary year to year?
I did a lot better in UCAT this year (2800) and I'm considered RA3. I literally got 42nd percentile last year and managed an interview at both Adelaide and Monash. ATAR will get boosted this year from 92 -> 96-97 due to year 13. How are my chances looking? If anyone has any idea please lmk

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hey guys, just checking what the usual "cut-off score" is for ATAR and UCAT for rural students?
Like obviously for general applicants UCAT is generally at 90th percentile + and ATAR is almost nearly 99+. Like these are the students who are generally competing for a spot right?
So how does this work with rural students? Cause I've heard some kids literally get interview offers with UCAT in the 40th and 50th percentiles and really low ATARS (like 91). Does it just drastically vary year to year?
(content removed) lmk

Please use the template in the UCAT Results Discussion Thread to ask about your chances for interviews.

With regard to rural invites more generally, the pathways are not as competitive and ATAR/UCAT combinations can be much lower, including into the sorts of %iles you have quoted. Also, worth pointing out that a 91 ATAR isn’t “really low”, it’s just not pushed artificially into the high 99.xx by huge amounts of competition, if that makes sense.

 

[pennystonk]

Please use the template in the UCAT Results Discussion Thread to ask about your chances for interviews.

With regard to rural invites more generally, the pathways are not as competitive and ATAR/UCAT combinations can be much lower, including into the sorts of %iles you have quoted. Also, worth pointing out that a 91 ATAR isn’t “really low”, it’s just not pushed artificially into the high 99.xx by huge amounts of competition, if that makes sense.

sorry if I put it into the wrong discussion, I thought because it was more rural specific then I'd put it in here.
Ahhh okay so the rural sub-quota basically just hasn't been inflated heaps due to less competition and applicants - thanks for that

 

[Scrivo_72]

Hey guys, just checking what the usual "cut-off score" is for ATAR and UCAT for rural students?
Like obviously for general applicants UCAT is generally at 90th percentile + and ATAR is almost nearly 99+. Like these are the students who are generally competing for a spot right?
So how does this work with rural students? Cause I've heard some kids literally get interview offers with UCAT in the 40th and 50th percentiles and really low ATARS (like 91). Does it just drastically vary year to year?
I did a lot better in UCAT this year (2800) and I'm considered RA3. I literally got 42nd percentile last year and managed an interview at both Adelaide and Monash. ATAR will get boosted this year from 92 -> 96-97 due to year 13. How are my chances looking? If anyone has any idea please lmk

When you mean year 13, you mean a gap year right? And if so did you do the gap year with your RA3 school or a city school?

 

[pennystonk]

When you mean year 13, you mean a gap year right? And if so did you do the gap year with your RA3 school or a city school?

Yes, a gap year essentially where I re-did two subjects to get a higher overall mark. It's basically a repeat year 12 with less workload. The subjects just get added to my ATAR from last year.
And no I had to move into the city to do the gap year as year 13 wasn't really provided at my RA3 school

 

[Scrivo_72]

Yes, a gap year essentially where I re-did two subjects to get a higher overall mark. It's basically a repeat year 12 with less workload. The subjects just get added to my ATAR from last year.
And no I had to move into the city to do the gap year as year 13 wasn't really provided at my RA3 schooling

I’m not sure if this is right, but I’m pretty sure you might become ineligible as rural for some universities which require you to be rural for year 11 and 12. This is because now your year 13 is classified as year 12 as that’s when you getting your updated atar. I’d contact the unis. But you may have already looked into this so don’t stress cause I’m not 100% sure.

 

[pennystonk]

I’m not sure if this is right, but I’m pretty sure you might become ineligible as rural for some universities which require you to be rural for year 11 and 12. This is because now your year 13 is classified as year 12 as that’s when you getting your updated atar. I’d contact the unis. But you may have already looked into this so don’t stress cause I’m not 100% sure.

I will have to double-check for some unis. However, the majority just base it off the 5-year consecutively or 10 year cumulatively right?
Essentially, the ATAR is being "re-calculated" for the 2nd time. I'm not sure how interstate unis work with this, probably best if I just contact the unis directly then.
Thanks for bringing this up

 

[Scrivo_72]

I will have to double-check for some unis. However, the majority just base it off the 5-year consecutively or 10 year cumulatively right?
Essentially, the ATAR is being "re-calculated" for the 2nd time. I'm not sure how interstate unis work with this, probably best if I just contact the unis directly then.
Thanks for bringing this up

Yea I get what you mean by recalculation but some unis might see that as doing year 12 in a city. Also I think the majority are the 5 year consecutive or the 10 year cumulative. Not sure what unis have the additional requirement of year 12 in a rural area of the top of my head. Might be UNSW.

 

[A1]

Not sure what unis have the additional requirement of year 12 in a rural area of the top of my head. Might be UNSW.

UNSW has stated a student needs to be at a disadvantaged school both Y11+Y12 to qualify for the disadvantaged-school consideration (as part of EAS?). This is different to rural entry, I don't know of any med school requiring rural Y12 to qualify.

As we have discussed in another thread, rural entry is to "produce" more med graduates with rural-living backgrounds thus more likely to serve in remote areas. It's NOT to compensate for schooling disadvantages, a student living 6yo-11yo rural then go to a top notch private/selective city school still qualifies for rural entry.

A small variation is UNSW/UWA use a Rurality factor (rather than clearcut rural or non-rural). I believe the more of & more recent your rural years the higher rurality. But this rule applies the same whether you're doing a school Y13 or a beach bum Y13

 

[Scrivo_72]

Thank you so much for getting back to me. I've enrolled for the Joint Medical Program (JMP) which is between the University of Newcastle and New England (not very sure) but ideally I would prefer to get into Monash, and as an alternative unsw. I realise that I did kind of flunk my ucat, but I have quite good interview skills so I'm confident that will be one of my strengths. Sorry if this sounds repetitive, but in your opinion would you say I have a good chance of getting in if I smash the interview? If that's the case, it gives me so much hope because I was very devastated after I got my ucat results back. And my career advisor has given me super evasive answers, but is it a good idea to have a bachelor of biomedicine as a backup course if you don't get into med? Once again, I really appreciate your help and time

I reckon you have a great chance, especially being a rural applicant. For JMP you will be going into the interview on the same level as someone getting a 90%ile as for JMP you only need 50%ile to get an interview for rural applicants and the offer is made 100% from interview. For unsw it will also come down to your rurality (RRMA) as well especially for unsw which uses it when making offers. Monash may also use it in some regard when forming the deans rural list but it doesn’t really state if they weigh rurality so it’s hard to say.

 

[singhi]

I reckon you have a great chance, especially being a rural applicant. For JMP you will be going into the interview on the same level as someone getting a 90%ile as for JMP you only need 50%ile to get an interview for rural applicants and the offer is made 100% from ucat. For unsw it will also come down to your rurality (RRMA) as well especially for unsw which uses it when making offers. Monash may also use it in some regard when forming the deans rural list but it doesn’t really state if they weigh rurality so it’s hard to say.

Thank you so mcuh. Not to sound cheesy or anything, but you've renewed my drive to keep pushing for the HSC and to give preparation for interviews my all as I really did believe that my UCAT had doomed me XD. I'll for sure keep this forum updated on what eventuates.

I reckon you have a great chance, especially being a rural applicant. For JMP you will be going into the interview on the same level as someone getting a 90%ile as for JMP you only need 50%ile to get an interview for rural applicants and the offer is made 100% from ucat. For unsw it will also come down to your rurality (RRMA) as well especially for unsw which uses it when making offers. Monash may also use it in some regard when forming the deans rural list but it doesn’t really state if they weigh rurality so it’s hard to say.

I just did some further research and found out that I'm RA 3. I don't know if that's super rural or about average, but I thought I'd share just in case it helped.

 

[Scrivo_72]

I just did some further research and found out that I'm RA 3. I don't know if that's super rural or about average, but I thought I'd share just in case it helped.

Yea so RA3 is really good, especially for JCU which weighs your rurality. If you get a 98 or above and are RA3 and have a solid written application, you would most likely get an interview invite and would be quite competitive for an offer depending on your interview performance. You'll have to share your RRMA (different rurality classification) to give an idea of if your rurality with unsw is competitive. If monash weigh rurality in some form, you would be quite competitive there but your best bet would be jcu especially being RA3.

 

[Hashish]

I reckon you have a great chance, especially being a rural applicant. For JMP you will be going into the interview on the same level as someone getting a 90%ile as for JMP you only need 50%ile to get an interview for rural applicants and the offer is made 100% from ucat. For unsw it will also come down to your rurality (RRMA) as well especially for unsw which uses it when making offers. Monash may also use it in some regard when forming the deans rural list but it doesn’t really state if they weigh rurality so it’s hard to say.

When you say JMP you mean the JMP for University of Newcastle right?

Thank you so mcuh. Not to sound cheesy or anything, but you've renewed my drive to keep pushing for the HSC and to give preparation for interviews my all as I really did believe that my UCAT had doomed me XD. I'll for sure keep this forum updated on what eventuates.


I just did some further research and found out that I'm RA 3. I don't know if that's super rural or about average, but I thought I'd share just in case it helped.

Hey I'm in the exact boat as you, I did my ucat and flopped it at around 50th percentile - with around the same atar 98+. How did you find your rurality for Uni. of Newcastle?

 

[A1]

When you say JMP you mean the JMP for University of Newcastle right?

JMP is UoN + UNE combined. If qualified for an offer you get allocated to one campus depending on your offer ranking & your preference. Most applicants preference UoN (due to it being closer to Sydney), if they rank high enough they get UoN, if they rank low & UoN is filled by their turn they get UNE.

How did you find your rurality for Uni. of Newcastle?

I think for JMP it's either rural or non-rural, no rating by rurality. If you want to know the specific RA code there's a website you can enter the postcode to find out.