I like this.If I was in charge of the RACDS training program...
Requirements to getting on the program would be: 2 years general experience (including some experience in OMS as an assistant/observing/etc for at least a 2-3 weeks intensive (externship) at min so people know what they are getting into), Pass in Primary exam, and an interview (Panel: OMS, dental academic, community member, and a psychologist)
Then the structure would be as follows:
1. DClinDent (OMS) 4 year program followed by eligibility for specialist registration.
2. Optional advance standing into medical school for those interested (2-3 years) (during this time the now OMS specialist/med student would also have a part-time OMS senior registrar position so they don't loose their hand skills/clinical skills)
3. Internship (1-year)
4. Optional Clinical Fellowship in: H/N, Cleft/Craniofacial, Cosmetic (1-2 years)
I have actually!Anyone signed up for tomorrow's info session on the NUS OMS program?
Agreed with these points. My only reason for applying for med is to do OMFS.I think in those cases its fine. There is of course always someone who wishes they had done medicine or another career other than dentistry or a dental specialty.
However, in most cases the only people who would ever consider doing both dental and medical degrees would be only for OMS. In my opinion the older OMS program in Australia (and by older I mean only 7-8 years ago) used to be a better structure for the applicants than it is even now.
Now: RACDS provides NO support for anyone. Just says "go get both degrees, internship, and general surgery year all on your own and come back to us and apply for our 4 year program when you've ticked all the boxes" (which is really unreasonable to ask this of people when you know there is going to be a bunch of people wasting their time doing it all). (Plus total training time "if" you get onto the program ends up being about 11-12 years! ... and that's before you even get to the subspecialty clinical fellowship level which US/Canadian grads can start after year 4 or 6).
Only 7-8 years ago: the RACDS would accept you onto the OMS program after 2 years of general dental working experience and RACDS Primary exam pass (same as all other dental specialties), then you would do 2 years of BST (basic surgical training), then you would do medical school and internship, and then return to complete a further 2-3 years afterwards (for a total of 8-9 years); which yes, is still longer than the USA or Canada (but at least you had the security of knowing doing medical school was not a complete waste of your time as you were already accepted onto the training program.
Would be great if it would change in the near future. Perhaps it will, if the Dclindent(OS) becomes disruptive to the bottom line and popularity of working OMFS's?If I was in charge of the RACDS training program...
Thanks Gogi,Hey SquirtleSquad,
It actually differs every year depending on the number of applicants who managed to pass the FRACDS(OMS) etc, but on average it is about 7-9 every year. Smith88, pretty good guess!
This year however due to COVID19, they only accepted 5 applicants, which means its only going to get harder from next year.
You'd be surprised how many people do them.
In 2018, I think it was roughly 35-40 eligible applicants who applied for the OMS program - these are applicants who have done both medicine, dentistry, general surgical experience as a medical doctor etc.
People do them mostly do pursue OMFS, i have seen the odd one who does it purely to change their careers entirely.
You are absolutely right, if only that sort of pathway existed in Australia/NZ... The uncertainty does occasionally creep in :/
Thanks SquirtleSquad!Thanks Gogi,
35-40 sounds insanely high for such a limited amount of spots. Kind of depressing to know to be honest.
Are you already on the OMFS training program at the moment? Best of luck with the training if you are, and I hope COVID hasn't spoiled the fun for you
Again, I have no issue with it being competitive.But other surgical specialities in medicine are similar if not more competitive in getting in
How are you getting more experience at present? Do you have a dental officer job in an OMS dept? Any research?I'm not on the OMFS training program yet, getting more experience under my belt!
How did it go?I have actually!