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Auckland OLY1 chat - archive

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But frootloop, you probably didn't study that much for those exams, but I've worked really hard this year. I think my teacher is saying that there is a difference between people who don't study and get bad marks and those who study and still get good/average marks (not top of the class). He definitely was putting me in the latter category. Urrghh! I'm already really insecure about myself, and he says something like this....
You just said you'll get level 3 with E. That puts you in like the top 2% of the population. You're smart enough to get into medicine, trust me. You *definitely* don't need to be top of the class to get in. Around 10-15% of the cohort in first year get in--> it isn't actually an impossible task. Your teacher is talking out his a**, and I sincerely doubt he's ever actually done OLY1/HSFY (as he's in an unrelated career), so he wouldn't really know what he's talking about...

Edit: [MENTION=5161]greenglacier[/MENTION], [MENTION=753]lordgarlic[/MENTION], [MENTION=7190]4everAlone[/MENTION], @all others in HSFY/OLY1/med will be able to provide further reassurance. (Disclaimer: I'm not saying 'You're guaranteed to get in', I'm saying 'You're smart enough. It's doable'.)
 
Ignore your teacher. Study what you enjoy. If you can get NCEA with M/E then you are "smart enough". The content in the first year isn't "hard", what it does require is TIME and DEDICATION. If you have these traits then you have a chance of getting into med.
 
But frootloop, you probably didn't study that much for those exams, but I've worked really hard this year. I think my teacher is saying that there is a difference between people who don't study and get bad marks and those who study and still get good/average marks (not top of the class). He definitely was putting me in the latter category. Urrghh! I'm already really insecure about myself, and he says something like this....

Your teacher has no place in telling you what you can or can't do, they're either an idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about or they're deliberately venting their own anger, caused by whatever decisions they've made, onto people full of potential.

As froot and qbob said, you're definitely smart enough with the marks you've mentioned.
 
Juna, honestly. don't give a crap about what anyone else thinks.

If medicine really is your dream, then nothing will stop you from it.

Your marks are really good. I'm actually in the same position as you- it's actually my parents who said that, not my teachers. My teachers have a bit more faith in me.

I bluntly told me parents that I will obtain my dream of getting into med whether undergrad or postgrad :-D
 
Thanks guys for the encouragement. I had a little cry in the bathroom after he said that at school, but I feel a bit better now. His daughter went through to medicine, though.
 
A teacher saying that to a student is sooo harsh.

He really had no right to tell you that you couldn't achieve your dream.

Look forwarding to saying hello to Dr Juna at the end of next yr.
 
Definitely not easy getting through OLY1, but definitely doable.

Me, I got level 2 with Merit, level 3 with Excellence, and didn't get dux or proxime or any of that crap, and in all fairness our yeargroup wasn't particularly that 'smart' at school.

So, bluntly, your teacher is wrong. Yes, it's hard. But with dedication and a good work ethic, there's really no reason why you can't do it. You're in the same boat as everyone else really. At uni you start with a clean slate, no-one cares how you did at school. And I'd say less than an eighth of my classmates would've been duxes at their school...
 
Guys, how much of this is true? Do you need to have dux, done STAR courses to actually have the "brain" good enough to do well in Health sciences in Auckland?
I hate to disrespect your teacher but what a load of bollocks. Also for the record, I fail to see how being the Dux automatically grants extra brain power compared to someone with the same level of achievement who isn't a Dux. I also fail to see how STAR courses automatically grants extra brain power.

Sure, you need a bit of brain power and ability to understand and integrate in order to keep up with what's going on, but that is in the sense that someone with an IQ below 90 is likely to struggle with the course.

Intelligence (which in our context deals with a mixture of abilities of understanding, reasoning, and learning) does not dictate whether one gets into med or not. As a 100-level science course, one of the biggest things is volume of information which you need to be able to recall and apply in an exam, and preferably understand.

Learning techniques differ between people, and, inevitably, between intelligence levels. But whether you rote-learned the processes and purposes of the carnitine cycle (don't worry about what this is yet) without understanding a word of it, or you fully appreciate the concepts behind it and can give the processes and purposes just by intuitive thinking using your understanding, as long as you put the right answers on the exam paper, you'll get the marks.

In short: no, you don't need to be the top student to get into med. I don't know why your teacher would say that to you, but I can tell you it's not true. What is true though is that you must work hard to get into med, getting through HSFY (and presumably OLY1) is not easy - no one gets through without doing work, and as 4ever said, it's definitely not easy, but definitely doable (for the majority of people).

Also, I would once again like to say something about critical thinking. I know it isn't realistic to expect you to understand, and I myself didn't fully appreciate it until epidemiology, but you can't just let any odd grown-up shake you up by saying scary things. I grew up being so scared witless about eating "incompatible" things because my mum made a big deal of it, I called her up every time I'm about to eat something until I was, like, 10. Later, with the aid of Google, I found out that many of them were hoaxes blown out of proportion by the media trying to run some juicy news, also, one of them is chemically impossible...

Currently, I'm frequently accused of being disrespectful to elders by my grandparents, because I refuse to bow down to blantantly unscientific advice that has the potential to do more harm than good, and I refuse to allow more harm to be done by bad advice. So here I am, refusing to let your teacher break you.
 
Work ethic> brain power
Uni isn't that much harder in terms of difficulty but the work load is a lot heavier. In my experience with school mates who are now doing biomed also, it is always the hard worker that show up the lazy "genius".
 
I'm frequently accused of being disrespectful to elders by my grandparents, because I refuse to bow down to blantantly unscientific advice...

[offtopic]I know exactly what you mean, but after a year or so with that mentality, I realised that the general public does not share the same mindset of scrutiny that we are taught to adopt. Nowadays I just smile condescendingly ^_^, because it's hard to explain to them why they're wrong[/offtopic]
 
People naturally try to make their children's achievements seem unattainable. I assume his daughter was also top of the school in her day?

[offtopic]what's the carnitine cycle lol?[/offtopic]
 
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what's the carnitine cycle lol?
This minor detail in fatty acid metabolism where acyl-CoA goes into the intermembrane space of the mitochondrion, where an enzyme replaces the CoA with carnitine, so acyl-carnitine coes into the mitochondrial matrix, where another enzyme puts CoA back on to reform acyl-CoA. An unnecessary complexity, one might rightfully think, but it serves to bypass concentration gradients and ensure acyl-CoA is always brought into the matrix regardless of concentration gradients, and this happens without consuming ATP.[/offtopic]
 
[offtopic]Clearly the carnitine cycle is of such little importance that second-years haven't heard of it, so why did they have a 5 mark question in our biochem final on it? >.>[/offtopic]
 
[offtopic]Clearly the carnitine cycle is of such little importance that second-years haven't heard of it, so why did they have a 5 mark question in our biochem final on it? >.>[/offtopic]

[offtopic] Hahaha in all fairness though I can't remember anything from first year...so we may or may not have learnt it. Ahhh biochem. Those were the days :) You guys are on holidays now yes? [/offtopic]
 
Yup, answer to govpop, his daughter came second top in her year.
Which would explain the prattishness of what he told you. Every parent likes to think their child is special, and that their achievements could never be matched by the spawn of lesser beings...
Anyway, I think the overall conclusion here is that your teacher had no place saying something like that, and was so wrong it's unbelievable.
 
Hey guys,
Thanks for the encouragement and I'm not going to believe every word everyone says to me at facevalue without thinking through whether this is valid or not.
Just another question, in our year of premed, (health science, biomedical science), are we expected to do some community services, or other activities other than studying in order to do well at interviews?
Thanks
 
Hey guys,
Thanks for the encouragement and I'm not going to believe every word everyone says to me at facevalue without thinking through whether this is valid or not.
Just another question, in our year of premed, (health science, biomedical science), are we expected to do some community services, or other activities other than studying in order to do well at interviews?
Thanks

No. But you are expected to show that you do have a life outside of medicine. Whether this is sporting, community service, drama or whatever. Basically the interviewers want to know that you're not one of those people that studies in their little study dungeon all day every day, has no friends, and does nothing else. The reason for this is that medicine doesn't get any easier and if you can't have a life in first year, then you sure as heck won't have a life when you're working in the hospitals!
 
No. But you are expected to show that you do have a life outside of medicine. Whether this is sporting, community service, drama or whatever. Basically the interviewers want to know that you're not one of those people that studies in their little study dungeon all day every day, has no friends, and does nothing else. The reason for this is that medicine doesn't get any easier and if you can't have a life in first year, then you sure as heck won't have a life when you're working in the hospitals!
Oh, okay, so as long as we've done stuff in high school, sports, etc, then we can talk about that?
 
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