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Auckland OLY1 chat - archive

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The reality is, whatever they decide to do, it'll be unfair in one way or another. At this point whatever action they take will only minimise the grade deviations. I honestly think itll be really hard to get a petition thing going, especially since most biomeds will come for the exam then go back home to study, and its quite true what toaster said, that the exam board wouldnt really care much seeing that it's the end of the year and everyone wants to get on with their holidays. Either way, I've sent an email to the exam board, and I'll just hope that Dr. Quilter will help us out
 
I'm not sure we're in a position to be demanding anything but possibly a list of what we believe suitable outcomes are for this situation (e.g. grade boundaries lowered, different grade boundaries for rooms affected(?), less weighting placed on the final exam etc.).

Of course the final decision will be left up to the course coordinators and the Examination Office but it's also important we collectively express our concern at this issue so it is not taken lightly.

I was just joking when I said "demand" :tongue: It makes it sound like we're ransoming them :lol:

And those are all good suggestions ^_^
 
A common petition could be signed after physics realistically, everyone would have finished important science exams, and would only have gen ed exams left or would have finished exams altogether :)

Really, what would need to be done would be to have someone in each exam room print out a copy of the common petition and then stop people on their way out...
 
Thinkin about the renal flow chart diagram (decrease in blood osmolarity), there were two opposite ways to do it. Page 168 and page 174 (the diagram for this example is one he drew up in the lecture, opposite of the flow diagram on that page) of course guide. The stimulus that caused the low osmolarity ultimately dictates which path to take. If its drinking lots of plain water (p174) then BV would increase and you'd get increased UFR etc. However if its due to a loss of ions in the body then you'd get decreased BV due to water diffusing into the cells. Any thoughts? Or if theres something about the question i misinterpreted?
 
My reasoning was as follows...

Decrease in osmolarity (low sodium) causes loss of water from plasma/interstitial fluid by osmosis into cells. Decreases blood volume/pressure, causes release of renin, ang II (vasoconstriction), aldosterone which increases Na+ reabsorption hence increasing osmolarity in blood.

Simultaneously, there is less stretch on the atria, so less ANP is released, so less sodium is lost in the urine (increasing osmolarity of blood)

Lastly, I said osmoreceptors in medulla sensed low osmolarity, which caused less ADH to be released which would increase the loss of water in the urine, which would increase the blood osmolarity.
 
Renal Physiology

My reasoning was as follows...

Decrease in osmolarity (low sodium) causes loss of water from plasma/interstitial fluid by osmosis into cells. Decreases blood volume/pressure, causes release of renin, ang II (vasoconstriction), aldosterone which increases Na+ reabsorption hence increasing osmolarity in blood.

Simultaneously, there is less stretch on the atria, so less ANP is released, so less sodium is lost in the urine (increasing osmolarity of blood)

Lastly, I said osmoreceptors in medulla sensed low osmolarity, which caused less ADH to be released which would increase the loss of water in the urine, which would increase the blood osmolarity.

Okay, I think this is misleading..

1.) Because why would you increase aldosterone?? yes, aldosterone increases Na+ reabsorption but it is also followed by Osmosis of water, so, water will be increased --> plasma concentration is still decreased. (p. 1040 of T&D)
2.) Another, if less ANP is released, so low Natriuresis or low Na+ lost in Urine, then there will be high plasma volume following Na+ reabsorption via obligatory water reabsorption in the proximal convoluted tubule and still decreased osmolarity. (p 1041 of T&D)
3.) This you have said "Decrease in osmolarity (low sodium) causes loss of water from plasma/interstitial fluid by osmosis into cells." This is a scenario wherein you have decreased osmolarity in plasma and interstitial fluid because of a lot of fluid loss mechanisms but you still take in a whole lot of water. This is Hyponatremia. (p. 1067 of T&D)

If there is decreased osmolarity (so there is high plasma volume) ie. Taking 25L of water:

--> decreased ADH release --> low aquaporins 2 --> low blood volume --> promotes Diuresis --> more urine --> increased plasma osmolarity.

--> increased BV -> increased blood pressure -> lesser Renin, Angiotensin II, and aldosterone to promote Natriuresis and Diuresis --> more urine --> lesser BP -> lesser BV --> increased plasma osmolarity.

--> more stretch in atrium bcoz of high BV and BP--> more ANP --> vasodilation of afferent aterioles --> more GFR --> promotes Natriuresis to prevent water reabsorption by Osmosis to further prevent increased plasma volume (prevent decreased plasma concentration)--> more Urine produced
--> lesser blood volume --> increased plasma concentration.

That's it. Renal Superphysiology.:lol:

Ka-me Ha-me WAVE!!!!!
 
Okay, I think this is misleading..

1.) Because why would you increase aldosterone?? yes, aldosterone increases Na+ reabsorption but it is also followed by Osmosis of water, so, water will be increased --> plasma concentration is still decreased. (p. 1040 of T&D)
2.) Another, if less ANP is released, so low Natriuresis or low Na+ lost in Urine, then there will be high plasma volume following Na+ reabsorption via obligatory water reabsorption in the proximal convoluted tubule and still decreased osmolarity. (p 1041 of T&D)
3.) This you have said "Decrease in osmolarity (low sodium) causes loss of water from plasma/interstitial fluid by osmosis into cells." This is a scenario wherein you have decreased osmolarity in plasma and interstitial fluid because of a lot of fluid loss mechanisms but you still take in a whole lot of water. This is Hyponatremia. (p. 1067 of T&D)

If there is decreased osmolarity (so there is high plasma volume) ie. Taking 25L of water:

--> decreased ADH release --> low aquaporins 2 --> low blood volume --> promotes Diuresis --> more urine --> increased plasma osmolarity.

--> increased BV -> increased blood pressure -> lesser Renin, Angiotensin II, and aldosterone to promote Natriuresis and Diuresis --> more urine --> lesser BP -> lesser BV --> increased plasma osmolarity.

--> more stretch in atrium bcoz of high BV and BP--> more ANP --> vasodilation of afferent aterioles --> more GFR --> promotes Natriuresis to prevent water reabsorption by Osmosis to further prevent increased plasma volume (prevent decreased plasma concentration)--> more Urine produced
--> lesser blood volume --> increased plasma concentration.

That's it. Renal Superphysiology.:lol:

Ka-me Ha-me WAVE!!!!!

Page 168 of the course guide...

"Na+ deficiency" (low osmolarity) leads to decrease in blood volume etc etc

- The question said osmolarity was lowered - that does not imply you have drunken a lot of water, it simply implies your osmolarity has been lowered. You can't just assume the cause is an increase in blood volume just because you have a lower plasma osmolarity - we are looking at the result of the low osmolarity and aren't told what the cause is...

Page 174 - and increase in osmolarity causes the release of ADH, thus a decreased osmolarity causes a decrease in ADH.
 
Has anybody else lost that motivation we had before 106/142 exams?

I almost thought exams were over -___

Yeah. I've only rewritten my formula sheets and done like one problem. Rest of the time I've been throwing an IS-F around a simulated track.
 
You can have a really low osmolarity, and a low blood volume simultaneously. It's to do with concentrations and not volumes.
 
Page 168 of the course guide...

"Na+ deficiency" (low osmolarity) leads to decrease in blood volume etc etc

- The question said osmolarity was lowered - that does not imply you have drunken a lot of water, it simply implies your osmolarity has been lowered. You can't just assume the cause is an increase in blood volume just because you have a lower plasma osmolarity - we are looking at the result of the low osmolarity and aren't told what the cause is...

Page 174 - and increase in osmolarity causes the release of ADH, thus a decreased osmolarity causes a decrease in ADH.

I didnt say he actually drank water.. I said "ie.".. it can be a something else.. you wrote, "Page 174 - and increase in osmolarity causes the release of ADH, thus a decreased osmolarity causes a decrease in ADH".. Did you
read what i just wrote?? haha

you said "Na+ deficiency" (low osmolarity) leads to decrease in blood volume".. read the page of T&D that I put about hyponatremia.

That's why course guides aren't supposed to be tools for studying. They are "guides." There are two chapters of Renal system that is a great help. Hail books!!! haha!:lol:
 
Sorry I didn't see what you put about ADH :lol: Indeed, but basically, the diagram he was asking for was the reverse response to the "hormonal changes following increased NaCl intake" on page 176 of the course guide. Just change any "increase" to "decrease" and vice versa. So instead of starting with "increased plasma conc of Na", it was "decreased plasma conc of Na" and everything else follows from there.
 
You can have a really low osmolarity, and a low blood volume simultaneously. It's to do with concentrations and not volumes.

What? nothing to do with volumes? How do you define OSMOSIS? haha

Yes, it is called flow of water concentration down its gradient.. but what that is indirectly saying is that volume is the one that causes highness and lowness of water concentration.

Think of it as this way. If there is higher partial pressure of Oxygen, there maybe high volume of blood that may contribute to that high partial pressure. Although it is less soluble than Carbon dioxide. The high blood volume compensated to increase saturation and content of oxygen. But I am not saying that dissolved Carbon dioxide is negligible, we just focused on Oxygen saturation (if haemoglobin is there) and content.
 
Breathe children breathe

seriously, both of you stop arguing. You have already sat your exam so stop dissecting it. Go have a holiday, go out into the sunshine and enjoy it. Your exam grade won't magically change now. Also trying to prove who is right or wrong won't change anything either
 
I think regarding the renal question there are many ways to answer it. As long as it logically flows i think he will give us the marks:lol:
On physics, is anyone finding thermal hard?
 
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