Bond Bond Medicine: General Discussion

[twny01]

Does anyone know if there are second round offers?

 

[DrY]

hey guys I got a September offer for this year but due to personal circumstances, I would really hope to start in May
If anyone would be able to swap, please pm me

September intake could prove a problem getting internship. Internship Starts in January. AMC has flagged this as an issue in their accreditation of the course. So might end up being a costly course with a wait for internship .

 

[EUP]

Hey guys, I've received an offer for the September Bond intake, however would really love to start in May. If anyone would be able to swap from May to September (or knows someone else who might want to) please message me. Thanks!

 

[sunnyrain]

When you accept the offer, you’re required to pay the fees for sem 1 by a certain date. It’s around 30k. This fee is non refundable. Having said that, there are people from first year who leave at some point in the first sem if they get an offer elsewhere.

Thanks for the reply. Do you happen to know what date that is? Also, I believe that if you are deferring it to fee help, but you withdraw before the census date for the payment, you do not need to pay the fees. Is this correct?

 

[hk092000]

Thanks for the reply. Do you happen to know what date that is? Also, I believe that if you are deferring it to fee help, but you withdraw before the census date for the payment, you do not need to pay the fees. Is this correct?

No, I don’t know the date but it should be in your offer letter. And sorry, I don’t know how fee help works.

 

[anonli]

September intake could prove a problem getting internship. Internship Starts in January. AMC has flagged this as an issue in their accreditation of the course. So might end up being a costly course with a wait for internship .

I've been doing research on this

Currently AMC has flagged internships as an issue as you mentioned. Bond is trying to work on it but it's very risky and they have said that "currently there are no firm agreements on mid-cycle placements". Bond has stated some alternate pathways if September students are not able to receive intership but these have their own cons. One pathway is to complete the Masters of Health Care Innovations after your MD, however, this is an additional 2 semesters of study and will cost you $65,250 on top of the fees you pay for the Medical Program. The second pathway is to conduct research-based honours, which will also take an additional year and costs. The third pathway is a career break, however this will delay you graduation by 2 semesters. The final pathway is taking up deferred intership positions but this is risky because it is rare for medical students to defer their internship after graduating

 

[medchic]

I've been doing research on this

Currently AMC has flagged internships as an issue as you mentioned. Bond is trying to work on it but it's very risky and they have said that "currently there are no firm agreements on mid-cycle placements". Bond has stated some alternate pathways if September students are not able to receive intership but these have their own cons. One pathway is to complete the Masters of Health Care Innovations after your MD, however, this is an additional 2 semesters of study and will cost you $65,250 on top of the fees you pay for the Medical Program. The second pathway is to conduct research-based honours, which will also take an additional year and costs. The third pathway is a career break, however this will delay you graduation by 2 semesters. The final pathway is taking up deferred intership positions but this is risky because it is rare for medical students to defer their internship after graduating

My understanding is that the September cohort would get internships but that they would just need to wait till the next years internship intake. But as you mentioned, they are trying to resolve this by having mid-year internship intakes (and as far as I've heard they are expecting this to be successful).

 

[alxndra01]

My understanding is that the September cohort would get internships but that they would just need to wait till the next years internship intake. But as you mentioned, they are trying to resolve this by having mid-year internship intakes (and as far as I've heard they are expecting this to be successful).

With all this and inflation happening right now the degree will easily be half a million dollars! What do you guys think? Tbh I might reapply to other universities I think getting a slightly better ucat would be easier than debt and bad credit ratings that will haunt me in the future + spending what could have been moving out and buying a great car. At least it needs more research and information for us before signing ourselves up for so much debt, honestly might be better as a last ditch attempt at medicine not on the first go.

 

[medchic]

With all this and inflation happening right now the degree will easily be half a million dollars! What do you guys think? Tbh I might reapply to other universities I think getting a slightly better ucat would be easier than debt and bad credit ratings that will haunt me in the future + spending what could have been moving out and buying a great car. At least it needs more research and information for us before signing ourselves up for so much debt, honestly might be better as a last ditch attempt at medicine not on the first go.

It is definitely expensive, I agree with you. However, with FEE-HELP covering over 150k (at least the first 2 years of the degree will be covered) this definitely makes a huge difference. Also another consideration is the fact that you will graduate a few years earlier than you would if you did postgrad, so you'll be in the workforce making money for longer and you will earn back the amount that you spend on the course.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

My advice may be biased since I am studying medicine at Bond, but the way that I see it is that if you have an offer for medicine and medicine is your dream, then just take that offer because you never know what will happen and you can't know if you'll get the opportunity again.

That may well be true but there will be people for whom this amount of debt is simply not feasible. It’s important for individuals to weigh up their own circumstances.

Rather than adding tens of thousands more debt, I’d go the route of simply having that time off to work and waiting for January for an internship position.

I also can’t fathom how a second intake of interns would work. They’d surely have to be at a subscribed hospital given the small numbers and then would be out of sync for RMO jobs too given internship requirements. Plus the Qld version of whatever post grad organisation supervises interns would also have to agree. Have any details been proposed?

 

[Nariell20]

It is definitely expensive, I agree with you. However, with FEE-HELP covering over 150k (at least the first 2 years of the degree will be covered) this definitely makes a huge difference. Also another consideration is the fact that you will graduate a few years earlier than you would if you did postgrad, so you'll be in the workforce making money for longer and you will earn back the amount that you spend on the course.
My advice may be biased since I am studying medicine at Bond, but the way that I see it is that if you have an offer for medicine and medicine is your dream, then just take that offer because you never know what will happen and you can't know if you'll get the opportunity again.

FEE-HELP also gets indexed every year so if inflation is 7% you're adding 7% on to whatever you put into it. For people getting loans out interest rate rises are still happening so it's a lot of money to be putting down. Also some people go into the degree with loans already on fee-help from previous study

 

[MedASP2023]

Anyone going from VIC?

 

[greenteabag]

Hey has anyone been able to log onto Osler for compliance?

 

[MonkeyTemple]

If there is anyone from September cohort, please let me know and I will add you to the group chat.

 

[sunnyrain]

Hi.
I am currently in the 3rd year of my degree and have sat GAMSAT and am thinking of applying through GEMSAS for postgrad medical schools. But I have gotten an offer for Bond University's September intake. Am I able to move to a different medical school if I get an offer through GEMSAS? I have heard that if you are a medical student, some schools will not allow you to move to a different medical school?

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Hi.
I am currently in the 3rd year of my degree and have sat GAMSAT and am thinking of applying through GEMSAS for postgrad medical schools. But I have gotten an offer for Bond University's September intake. Am I able to move to a different medical school if I get an offer through GEMSAS? I have heard that if you are a medical student, some schools will not allow you to move to a different medical school?

Are you planning to start the Bond course? If so, you’re right, you’d be excluded from most (possibly all) Australian medical courses at other universities. JMP used to be the only exception, but I’ve not checked their stance recently.

If you decline the Bond offer (or defer it, though I don’t think Bond facilitate deferrals), then it won’t affect you.

 

[sunnyrain]

Are you planning to start the Bond course? If so, you’re right, you’d be excluded from most (possibly all) Australian medical courses at other universities. JMP used to be the only exception, but I’ve not checked their stance recently.

If you decline the Bond offer (or defer it, though I don’t think Bond facilitate deferrals), then it won’t affect you.

Thanks for your reply! Yeah, I've accepted the offer and am thinking of starting the course in September. And yeah, they don't accept deferrals. So even if I apply through GEMSAS at a time when I am technically not a medical student, since I would be one in September, I wouldn't be able to study medical school at another university, right? And also I've heard people sitting the GAMSAT while at Bond, getting an offer at another medical university and moving there. This is not the case, anymore, right?
Also, I was wondering what these medical schools are that wouldn't allow me to apply? Or is it best that I contact and confirm with each of the postgrad universities individually?

 

[Nariell20]

Thanks for your reply! Yeah, I've accepted the offer and am thinking of starting the course in September. And yeah, they don't accept deferrals. So even if I apply through GEMSAS at a time when I am technically not a medical student, since I would be one in September, I wouldn't be able to study medical school at another university, right? And also I've heard people sitting the GAMSAT while at Bond, getting an offer at another medical university and moving there. This is not the case, anymore, right?
Also, I was wondering what these medical schools are that wouldn't allow me to apply? Or is it best that I contact and confirm with each of the postgrad universities individually?

You'd have to finish your degree by 31st December this year to be eligible for GEMSAS. If you enrol in Bond and drop out of your current degree that would void you from an offer with GEMSAS postgrad unis.

Those that did apply for GEMSAS at Bond probably already finished a bachelor's degree at another uni before enrolling in Bond.

Yes, some unis do exclude you if you start med school at a different uni but probably the biggest issue would be the fact that you havent finished a bachelor degree and therefore you can't be considered in postgraduate entry with GEMSAS.

On the other hand If you finished your bachelor's degree and then decided to re-apply for Bond uni you wouldn't be considered in the non-standard undergrad entry, you'd be in Postgrad entry which imo is a bit more competitive because there's less spots.

If you start at Bond you wouldnt be able to finish an undergrad degree until third year and at that point you might as well finish the whole degree.

Just things to think about.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

You'd have to finish your degree by 31st December this year to be eligible for GEMSAS. If you enrol in Bond and drop out of your current degree that would void you from an offer with GEMSAS postgrad unis.

Those that did apply for GEMSAS at Bond probably already finished a bachelor's degree at another uni before enrolling in Bond.

Yes, some unis do exclude you if you start med school at a different uni but probably the biggest issue would be the fact that you havent finished a bachelor degree and therefore you can't be considered in postgraduate entry with GEMSAS.

On the other hand If you finished your bachelor's degree and then decided to re-apply for Bond uni you wouldn't be considered in the non-standard undergrad entry, you'd be in Postgrad entry which imo is a bit more competitive because there's less spots.

If you start at Bond you wouldnt be able to finish an undergrad degree until third year and at that point you might as well finish the whole degree.

Just things to think about.

This is a really good point. If OP is intending to start Bond Med and not complete their undergrad, then yep, there’s no point in doing the GEMSAS application.

Options as I see them are:
1. Accept and start Bond, withdraw from current undergrad leaving it incomplete, investigate whether JMP still accept current Med students, and consider a move to there based on GPA and UCAT (note this route, if it still exists at all, is just the usual non-standard route so you’d start back in year 1 regardless of how much Bond Med you’d completed by that time) or complete whole Med degree at Bond

2. Decline Bond and complete current undergrad, submit a GEMSAS (and others) application, and hope for the best, with all non-standard and graduate entry options back on the table for next year’s application cycle if unsuccessful with GEMSAS ;and others) this year

 

[sunnyrain]

Hi Nariell2020 and DrDrLMG!!

Thank you for your replies! I was actually thinking of starting Bond University in September but continuing with my undergraduate degree, provided that it will all be online which will allow me to finish this degree and study at Bond University at the same time. So, with this, I would have completed my Bachelor degree for GEMSAS, making me eligible for post-grad med entry but if I don't get an offer through the GEMSAS/gamsat pathway, I would still be enrolled at Bond University.
From my understanding, I believe I can continue with my current undergrad degree and study at Bond University, right? To keep my options open, although it would be full on