Monash Monash Medicine: General Entry Discussion

[hazell]

What makes you say that? Did they say they’re taking SJT into account?

Also something interesting to note is they may possible use SJT as they said this:

"Applicants are assessed based only on their raw scores (not percentiles) and all 5 sections of the test are taken into account."

 

[A1]

confirmation that the first round of Monash interviews (based purely on UCAT) is for all students, ie interstate, rural, and Vic

This is more evidence the med schools are reading MSO and Monash has responded to our whinges about Monash being unconstitutional

 

[dande]

Welp, looks like I'll be saying goodbye to Monash based off my SJT score!

Anyways, interesting how they said MOST interviews will be based solely off of UCAT... this might mean that those with a slightly lower but still competitive UCAT score will need a pretty high ATAR to compensate as not many will be invited for interviews using the ATAR + UCAT combo, thus increasing the competitiveness for these spots.

we don't know how they use it. It may be used to just differentiate candidates on the same cognitive subset scores the only thing they have said is that they are using it in some way shape or form so don't count it out.

 

[ucatboy]

that's what i was thinking as well, although this person also works at Monash so both sides do have credibility - not too sure what to think hahaha

Sorry but how's that not a conflict of interest?

If they're somehow also involved in the uni's interview process then errrrrr...

 

[ye94747]

erfwehfiweiofo do you think this means they'll be a cutoff for each subset eg) 700 for all subtests (maybe excluding SJT)?

 

[ucatboy]

erfwehfiweiofo do you think this means they'll be a cutoff for each subset eg) 700 for all subtests (maybe excluding SJT)?

The way the UCAT is scored makes it basically impossible and impractical to set standard cutoffs across all sections unlike UMAT. I highly doubt something like this will happen.

A 700 in VR is roughly 95th percentile, while a 700 in QR is 67th percentile. Someone like KM7 with a 3330 overall score would miss out on an interview offer by virtue of their 670 VR score lmao

 

[ye94747]

The way the UCAT is scored makes it basically impossible and impractical to set standard cutoffs across all sections unlike UMAT. I highly doubt something like this will happen.

then do you think they will increase the number of people they interview (eg. anyone above 2800 or some sort of total cutoff score) or do you think they will remain with the 600~ interview offers?

 

[A1]

then do you think they will increase the number of people they interview (eg. anyone above 2800 or some sort of total cutoff score) or do you think they will remain with the 600~ interview offers?

Monash will have determined the number of interviews they do in the first round. The UCAT cutoff will be the score of the last applicant selected.

Whether Monash will increase or decrease the the number to interview is a separate matter.

 

[ucatboy]

then do you think they will increase the number of people they interview (eg. anyone above 2800 or some sort of total cutoff score) or do you think they will remain with the 600~ interview offers?

This is all meaningless speculation but I don't see why there will be changes in this area, sending out 600 interview invites to the top 600 applicants ranked by UCAT score makes sense imo

 

[Lear]

Sorry but how's that not a conflict of interest?

If they're somehow also involved in the uni's interview process then errrrrr...

My thought too. I am skeptical they would be involved in anything close to admissions. I know a lot of individuals who exploit the vagueness of underlying true statements to make it seem they have inside scoop or something. For example (not saying this is the case) this person might be involved in something completely unrelated but puts out 'work internally at Monash'. I know student MMI tutors do something where they volunteer for MMI chaperoning (not doing anything related to the interviews themselves) and use that to market their tutoring.

'I have volunteered to work with admissions for the MMIs for 3 years now'

 

[A1]

Something strange in this Monash stats > ATAR offer profile report

Medicine : Median ATAR (excluding adjustment factors) 99.35 - ATAR (including adjustment factors) 95.95

Assuming they had been swapped around, if you get SEAS you only need 95.95 to be highly competitive

 

[Sokka]

Something strange in this Monash stats > ATAR offer profile report

Medicine : Median ATAR (excluding adjustment factors) 99.35 - ATAR (including adjustment factors) 95.95

Assuming they had been swapped around, if you get SEAS you only need 95.95 to be highly competitive

What makes you say this is strange? Idk if I’m missing anything but to my understanding SEAS has always increased your selection rank.

 

[ucatboy]

Something strange in this Monash stats > ATAR offer profile report

Medicine : Median ATAR (excluding adjustment factors) 99.35 - ATAR (including adjustment factors) 95.95

Assuming they had been swapped around, if you get SEAS you only need 95.95 to be highly competitive

The report you linked is dodgy, it's for 2019 entry too.

I found the following for 2020 entry (VTAC: Victorian Tertiary Admissions Centre):



imo this makes much more sense, I would imagine median selection rank to be pushing 99.90-99.95.

 

[A1]

What makes you say this is strange?

Strange because including adjustments is lower than excluding. All other courses have including higher.

The report you linked is dodgy, it's for 2019 entry too.

2019 is one admission year itself, doesn't make it dodgy

 

[Crow]

Something strange in this Monash stats > ATAR offer profile report

Medicine : Median ATAR (excluding adjustment factors) 99.35 - ATAR (including adjustment factors) 95.95

Assuming they had been swapped around, if you get SEAS you only need 95.95 to be highly competitive

That makes sense to me when you consider rural entry, SEAS and Monash Guarantee - again, Victorian applicants have an enormous advantage over interstate applicants!

 

[ucatboy]

That makes sense to me when you consider rural entry, SEAS and Monash Guarantee - again, Victorian applicants have an enormous advantage over interstate applicants!

95.95 is unusually low, if you look at 2020's statistics 99.65 was the median raw ATAR. I would hazard a guess and say that 2019's 95.95 might be a typo and it's actually 99.95 lmao

Remember that we're talking about the MEDIAN here. When local students with 98 ATAR are at risk of not even receiving an interview, how can 95.95 possibly be the median?

 

[Crow]

95.95 is unusually low, if you look at 2020's statistics 99.65 was the median raw ATAR. I would hazard a guess and say that 2019's 95.95 might be a typo and it's actually 99.95 lmao

With rural entry considered? I assume 2020’s 99.65 is including adjustment factors? 95.95 could hypothetically be 99+ with adjustment factors included.

I also don’t think 99.95 could ever be the median, there are way too many applicants admitted into the program and way too few 99.95s in Victoria for that to be the case, I think. Theoretically possible, yes, but realistically I really doubt it.

 

[ucatboy]

With rural entry considered? I assume 2020’s 99.65 is including adjustment factors? 95.95 could hypothetically be 99+ with adjustment factors included.

I also don’t think 99.95 could ever be the median, there are way too many applicants admitted into the program and way too few 99.95s in Victoria for that to be the case, I think. Theoretically possible, yes, but realistically I really doubt it.

99.65 was the median raw ATAR, at least according to VTAC. Selection ranks aren't provided.

 

[nb]

I think you are under-estimating the amount of students who have the MG. Quite a lot of schools are considered under-represented by Monash so they have the MG for their students. This would drop the required ATAR quite low (to even 96-97) provided they have 90+ percentile UCAT's. This probably lowers the median to about 97 as the majority of the local non-MG non-Rurals are with atars of 98.5ish. The remaining rurals/indigenous students probably lower it even more to the 96 range. (or maybe its just a typo xd)

 

[A1]

95.95 is unusually low, if you look at 2020's statistics 99.65 was the median raw ATAR.

Noting that for 2019 Monash put 99.35 under excluding adjustment factors (while 95.95 under including adjustments), it looks clear to me that for 2020 the 99.65 is meant to be *including* adjustments.

EtA: If you still believe 99.65 was raw median I can't support that when we consider all the "low" ATARs of rural/SEAS/MG.

That (95.95) makes sense to me when you consider rural entry, SEAS and Monash Guarantee

Yes I accept that, however when we consider the median after adjustments (2019 99.35, 2020 99.65) it's extraordinary high considering rural applicants don't get an adjustment like SEAS/MG, i.e. with all the rural 95s & 96s who got offers it still resulted in 99.65 median?