Monash Monash Medicine: General Entry Discussion

[ucatboy]

Noting that for 2019 Monash put 99.35 under excluding adjustment factors (while 95.95 under including adjustments), it looks clear to me that for 2020 the 99.65 is meant to be *including* adjustments.

How so? My interpretation is that 99.35 was correctly stated as the 2019 median raw ATAR, and 99.65 was the 2020 median ATAR. Selection rank was incorrectly stated in 2019 and completely omitted in 2020. Could be completely wrong though.

A1 replies: I added this line to my post above
EtA: If you still believe 99.65 was raw median I can't support that when we consider all the "low" ATARs of rural/SEAS/MG.

 

[ucatboy]

For comparison, here's Adelaide's 2020 admissions data:

As you can see, 99.25 is the median raw ATAR. Selection rank is also omitted here. I would argue that UAdel and Monash are very similar difficulty-wise to get into as a local Victorian student (98+ ATAR, 90+ UCAT %ile), so does it really make sense that Monash's median ATAR is almost 4 lower?

SATAC also has some pretty sweet equity bonuses that are much larger than VTAC's (flat 5 aggregate adjustment), and UAdel also has rural entry. imo the two unis are pretty directly comparable, so it should make sense that their admissions data are likewise.

 

[Tomato]

Something strange in this Monash stats > ATAR offer profile report

Medicine : Median ATAR (excluding adjustment factors) 99.35 - ATAR (including adjustment factors) 95.95

Assuming they had been swapped around, if you get SEAS you only need 95.95 to be highly competitive

I think it's more like a typo.

 

[ucatboy]

Here's UNSW's:

I can't find a single med course with a sub-96 median ATAR anywhere in Australia - didn't someone point out that even the ATAR-as-a-hurdle unis have median ATARs in the 98+ range? Keeping that in mind, I highly doubt that Monash of all unis would take the title of having the lowest ATAR requirement.

 

[A1]

I would argue that UAdel and Monash are very similar difficulty-wise to get into as a local Victorian student (98+ ATAR, 90+ UCAT %ile)

The flip side to this argument is, Adelaide makes about 100 offers to non-rural applicants *Australia-wide* whereas Monash about 150 offers to non-rural Vic only (i.e. Monash a much higher ratio), yet Adelaide raw median is 99.25 vs Monash 99.65?

That would mean even for local Vic getting into Monash is more difficult than interstate getting into Adelaide.

 

[ucatboy]

The flip side to this argument is, Adelaide makes about 100 offers to non-rural applicants *Australia-wide* whereas Monash about 150 offers to non-rural Vic only (i.e. Monash a much higher ratio), yet Adelaide raw median is 99.25 vs Monash 99.65?

That would mean even for local Vic getting into Monash is more difficult than interstate getting into Adelaide.

UAdel has a number of Vic students who didn't get into Monash, I've ironically gotten to know a few of them during my time in Adelaide lmao.

 

[ye94747]

anyone know whenabouts emails for interviews will be sent?

 

[A1]

UAdel has a number of Vic students who didn't get into Monash, I've ironically gotten to know a few of them during my time in Adelaide lmao.

This doesn't address the point I raised at all.
What you imply there is even with Monash's preferential treatment to Vic students it's still harder for them to get into Monash than into Adelaide, which is non-sense.

 

[ucatboy]

This doesn't address the point I raised at all.
What you imply there is even with Monash's preferential treatment to Vic students it's still harder for them to get into Monash than into Adelaide, which is non-sense.

I think it makes sense, at the end of the day Adelaide is kind of a backup choice for everyone who doesn't live in SA. 9/10 people in my interview group were from interstate (I was literally the only local), and I'm betting $50 that the majority of them never end up studying at Adelaide. You say that Monash gives 150 non-rural offers and Adelaide 100, which is partially true, but Monash is not known to do second round offers - those 150 offers are basically as many that'll go out for the year (very few rejections). For Adelaide on the other hand, the first-round offers are basically meaningless because 80% of them will be rejected in favour of a more local uni. Adelaide could give out as many as 300-400 offers in a single admissions cycle (2nd, 3rd, 4th round etc.), until all places are all filled up. It would thus make sense that their median ATAR is a slightly lower at the end of the day.

Just take a look at the Adelaide offers reported last year and the majority of them are 2nd round offers or later. So what you're really comparing with 99.25 vs 99.65 is the median of 250-300 students and 150 students respectively. Of course the median of 250-300 students is going to be lower.

 

[A1]

Just take a look at the Adelaide offers reported last year and the majority of them are 2nd round offers or later. So what you're really comparing with 99.25 vs 99.65 is the median of 250-300 students and 150 students respectively. Of course the median of 250-300 students is going to be lower.

I see where you're coming from, but let me put it simpler like this.

Let's leave out interstate applicants. Regardless of 1st or 2nd round, is it generally easier for an SA 99.50 raw to get into Adelaide or a Vic 99.50 raw into Monash.
I think vast majority of us believe it's the latter, then why is it Monash raw median is 99.65 vs Adelaide 99.25?

 

[ucatboy]

I see where you're coming from, but let me put it simpler like this.

Let's leave out interstate applicants. Regardless of 1st or 2nd round, is it generally easier for an SA 99.50 raw to get into Adelaide or a Vic 99.50 raw into Monash.
I think vast majority of us believe it's the latter, then why is it Monash raw median is 99.65 vs Adelaide 99.25?

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I think there's a slight misconception that because interstate Monash is extremely difficult to get in to, therefore local Monash is ridiculously easy.

If you're going to talk about the summation of all offer rounds, I'm going to have to go with it's easier for an SA kid to get a 4th round UAdel offer (the bar drops SIGNIFICANTLY with subsequent offer rounds, which is why despite only 10-20 SA kids getting a first-round offer, 100+ end up enrolling) than it is for a Vic kid to get a first-round (and only round) Monash offer. Might be an unpopular opinion, but neither of us have the data to back it up so idk where to go from here lmao

 

[sevun]

I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but my careers advisor said UNSW requires an application before marking the medicine course down on your preferences.
I was wondering if this is also required for Monash?

 

[cocodreams]

I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but my careers advisor said UNSW requires an application before marking the medicine course down on your preferences.
I was wondering if this is also required for Monash?

No, for Monash, you apply directly through VTAC for Medicine and there's no additional application required

 

[TKAO]

Here's UNSW's:
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I can't find a single med course with a sub-96 median ATAR anywhere in Australia - didn't someone point out that even the ATAR-as-a-hurdle unis have median ATARs in the 98+ range? Keeping that in mind, I highly doubt that Monash of all unis would take the title of having the lowest ATAR requirement.

That seems quite low, I thought UNSW was gonna be higher...but then again people in Sydney have 3 choices whereas Melbournians only have 1. I'm sure that 95.65 thing is a typo, there literally isn't any med school that has a median close to that - maybe Curtin in its first year (I think it was close to a 97/98?)

 

[A1]

I'm sure that 95.65 thing is a typo

There were two discussion points on this. We all agree the Monash 95.95 was wrong, particularly under *including adjustments*. Point 1 is if 95.95 was a typo what should it really have been? Point 2 is was 99.65 the median raw ATAR among all successful Monash applicants including rural/SEAS/MG.

UNSW median selection rank (i.e. ATAR + adjustments) is 99.65, yet 99.65 is raw for Monash?

 

[TKAO]

There were two discussion points on this. We all agree the Monash 95.95 was wrong, particularly under *including adjustments*. Point 1 is if 95.95 was a typo what should it really have been? Point 2 is was 99.65 the median raw ATAR among all successful Monash applicants including rural/SEAS/MG.

UNSW median selection rank (i.e. ATAR + adjustments) is 99.65, yet 99.65 is raw for Monash?

Are you sure 99.65 is correct? According to their ATAR profile report from 2019 it was 99.35, with the selection rank actually be 95.95 (ripped directly of Monash's ATAR report themselves - VTAC is correct?)

 

[ucatboy]

UNSW median selection rank (i.e. ATAR + adjustments) is 99.65, yet 99.65 is raw for Monash?

I mean, UNSW's 99.45 raw is reasonably within spitting range of Monash's 99.65 raw, right? Not to mention USyd probably took a good bunch of NSW's 99.95 ATARs

The bigger question is, how did someone with an ADJUSTED 91.05 selection rank manage to make the cut for UNSW? Wha?

Are you sure 99.65 is correct? According to their ATAR profile report from 2019 it was 99.35, with the selection rank actually be 95.95 (ripped directly of Monash's ATAR report themselves - VTAC is correct?)
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99.65 (median raw ATAR) refers to 2020's data, which can be found here: VTAC: Victorian Tertiary Admissions Centre

2019's data is munted, and 2020's data is incomplete

 

[A1]

I mean, UNSW's 99.45 raw is reasonably within spitting range of Monash's 99.65 raw, right?

UNSW had an ATAR cutoff at 99.25, resulting in 99.45 median is fair.
Monash selects local interviewees as low as 98.50 with no bonus, but resulted in 99.65 median?

 

[Crow]

The bigger question is, how did someone with an ADJUSTED 91.05 selection rank manage to make the cut for UNSW? Wha?

Haven’t seen the data myself but rurality, strong UCAT and strong interview can go a long way at UNSW.

 

[DrDrLMG!]

Haven’t seen the data myself but rurality, strong UCAT and strong interview can go a long way at UNSW.

Not to mention, (rightfully) indigenous status at any University...