Monash Monash Medicine: General Entry Discussion

[grainrice2213]

Saw this before you edited it. Those scores are already competitive for a metro student. For a rural student, they are incredibly competitive. I’d say you’re pretty much guaranteed a CSP spot if you have a decently good interview. Even with a not great interview (still no terrible) you have great chances of an offer.

How can you be so confident in saying that?

 

[jintei]

How can you be so confident in saying that?

You can check the atar profile of Monash med online on Monash's site for any information.

For more unofficial information that are revaled by students, although not THE most trustworthy, they can be on reference. I am referring to data here on MSO.

 

[dltjwns729]

Hi, I was just wondering how many applicants are selected for the interview and how many get an offer? Thanks

 

[A1]

Hi, I was just wondering how many applicants are selected for the interview and how many get an offer? Thanks

Assuming Monash is doing the same as in a previous year, they interview around 500 rural & Vic local for ~210 round1 place offers. This leaves ~30 places for interstate round2 with approx 80 interview slots but many of these 80 won't turn up (since they all have very high ATAR/ UCAT many will have got a home-state offer by then).

 

[grainrice2213]

Assuming Monash is doing the same as in a previous year, they interview around 500 rural & Vic local for ~210 round1 place offers. This leaves ~30 places for interstate round2 with approx 80 interview slots but many of these 80 won't turn up (since they all have very high ATAR/ UCAT many will have got a home-state offer by then).

Any idea on how large the rural pool is vs how many spots available?

 

[smart]

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[A1]

Realistically as an interstate non-rural, non-seas applicant with a 94th percentile UCAT what ATAR would I need for an offer or is it even possible to get one as I know they only take a small group for interview. Thanks!

Ref > 2020 Entry Interview Invites - Collated (DATA ONLY)

The OP's 99.65 / 98%ile was right on the cutoff with a top-up invite. I'd say 94%ile will need 99.85+.

 

[grainrice2213]

Any idea on how large the rural pool is vs how many spots available?

Just bumping this question - although I'm not sure they even have a rural pool, or instead it's just rural bonuses are applied and you're in the same applicant pool as metros? Not sure.
Also wanted to ask if there's any more info about median rural ATARs, I've had a good scour through the old collated data, but was wondering if there's any more stats with a bit more breadth than what's on this (probably quite skewed to the high end) forum? Thanks!

 

[2023hopeful]

Realistically as an interstate non-rural, non-seas applicant with a 94th percentile UCAT what ATAR would I need for an offer or is it even possible to get one as I know they only take a small group for interview. Thanks!

My child got an interview offer last year in the top up round. They had an ATAR 99.65 UCAT 97th percentile. By that stage they had already accepted elsewhere so did not follow through with the interview. Clearly someone else had declined as they had 2hrs to decide.
I feel it was the UCAT score which was relevant not the ATAR in their circumstance.
Good luck

 

[A1]

I'm not sure they even have a rural pool, or instead it's just rural bonuses are applied and you're in the same applicant pool as metros?

Monash calls it Dean's Rural List so I think it's a separate pool.

From this list Monash had 58 rurals out of 240 = 24% of the intake
> Non-Rural / Rural intakes by med schools

Using UNSW's published numbers as a guide, around 10% of applicants are rural while they get 24% of places.

 

[grainrice2213]

Monash calls it Dean's Rural List so I think it's a separate pool.

From this list Monash had 58 rurals out of 240 = 24% of the intake
> Non-Rural / Rural intakes by med schools

Using UNSW's published numbers as a guide, around 10% of applicants are rural while they get 24% of places.

Sweet, thanks. Very helpful info! Is there any information regarding how many rural people are interviewed?

 

[A1]

Is there any information regarding how many rural people are interviewed?

Again based on UNSW's published numbers, the ratio of rural interviewees to places is about the same as for non-rural.

What this means is for schools like JMP or JPM where place offers are all or largely on the interview, rural's advantage is limited to getting an invite with substantially lower UCAT. From there on rural faces the same odds as non-rural even if they're in a separate pool.

Otoh for UNSW or Monash... where place offers are on combination of the three criteria, a rural with 99+ATAR / 95+%ile has much better chances than the same in the non-rural pool (coz rural interviewees' ATAR/UCAT are generally lower).

 

[grainrice2213]

Again based on UNSW's published numbers, the ratio of rural interviewees to places is about the same as for non-rural.

What this means is for schools like JMP or JPM where place offers are all or largely on the interview, rural's advantage is limited to getting an invite with substantially lower UCAT. From there on rural faces the same odds as non-rural even if they're in a separate pool.

Otoh for UNSW or Monash... where place offers are on combination of the three criteria, a rural with 99+ATAR / 95+%ile has much better chances than the same in the non-rural pool (coz rural interviewees' ATAR/UCAT are generally lower).

I see. Where can I find these UNSW published numbers? Thanks for the info. I take it I'm in quite a good spot for Monash/UNSW with a 3100, 98.25, ra3/mm5? I am a bit concerned about my ATAR being kind of average for a rural interviewee @ monash, is this irrational? Also, is there any knowledge whether Monash weights rurality (e.g. MM5 > MM3)? From what I've seen, the general consensus is no, correct? Sorry for the barrage of questions

 

[A1]

I see. Where can I find these UNSW published numbers?

For some reasons the applications were quite low that year. In another year it was 3360 non-rural, 460 rural applications (but similar interviews & places).

I am a bit concerned about my ATAR being kind of average for a rural interviewee @ monash, is this irrational?

Rural 99+/95+%ile would be ideal. Lower means proportionately lower chances. But there's no clearcut what is enough what is not until after the interview, just need to work with what you have.

Also, is there any knowledge whether Monash weights rurality (e.g. MM5 > MM3)? From what I've seen, the general consensus is no, correct?

I think at Monash it's either rural or non. Rurality is not mentioned in Monash websites, unlike UNSW UWA JCU.

 

[grainrice2213]

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For some reasons the applications were quite low that year. In another year it was 3360 non-rural, 460 rural applications (but similar interviews & places).

Rural 99+/95+%ile would be ideal. Lower means proportionately lower chances. But there's no clearcut what is enough what is not until after the interview, just need to work with what you have.

I think at Monash it's either rural or non. Rurality is not mentioned in Monash websites, unlike UNSW UWA JCU.

I see, interesting. As far as I know, I'm probably overall quite a bit above the mean, I think 94%ile is quite strong at unis that weight it. For ATAR not so sure. Do you have any idea of where I'd stand for a rural applicant @ monash relative to past years? Maybe a percentile of applicant strength with regards to ucat+atar? Or is that just too many unknown factors to answer

I find it interesting they use a rural/non-rural system, when they created the modified monash model which seems to address the lack of nuance in the RA model.

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Did a bunch of number crunching for rural stats from collated data, and the median atars for monash and unsw are 98.2 and 98 respectively (this is for the past 5 years). ATAR requirements seem to have stayed pretty similar over time. Percentiles for UCAT/UMAT had a median of 83 and 81 respectively. How affected by bias do you think these stats would be, since I'd assume higher performing students seek this website out? Especially UCAT/UMAT, since it's changed over the years (though I'd imagine percentile is what is most relevant anyway).

 

[A1]

Do you have any idea of where I'd stand for a rural applicant @ monash relative to past years?

Sorry I'm not tempted to guesstimate chances for rural. For non-rural it's unscientific enough, for rural with wider unknown score ranges it's downright anti-science

Did a bunch of number crunching for rural stats from collated data

I think your time spent on prepping for interviews will gain you better chances than trying to work out your chances

 

[grainrice2213]

I think your time spent on prepping for interviews will gain you better chances than trying to work out your chances

Hahahah definitely, peak procrastination. I'd best give it a rest Wish me luck!

 

[ma2024]

did anyone got interview invitation from Monash?

 

[juan]

I'm still waiting (UCAT 3110). A Rural applicant received an invite at 8.35am and posted on the data collection forum. Below is from the monash site

Invitations for the December interview round will be released on the morning of Thursday 16 November 2023.

• The UCAT ANZ score required for DRL applicants was 2690
• The UCAT ANZ score required for non-DRL Victorian* applicants was 3020

 

[ma2024]

I'm still waiting (UCAT 3110). A Rural applicant received an invite at 8.35am and posted on the data collection forum. Below is from the monash site

Invitations for the December interview round will be released on the morning of Thursday 16 November 2023.

• The UCAT ANZ score required for DRL applicants was 2690
• The UCAT ANZ score required for non-DRL Victorian* applicants was 3020

Good to know. We both are in the same boat. My UCAT score is 3120, hopefully we can expect invitation later today after rural invitations.