Non-standard Medicine Entry

[DrDrLMG!]

I know this is arguable but
1. if your heart is firmly set on getting into medicine
2. if you will still get UES next year

relatively your best chance is to take a gap year and spend all your time focusing on getting 95+%ile UCAT for Flinders.

If that fails again go back to your mentioned options., not end of the earth.

Given Flinders is 6 years (plus gap year = 7), I don’t quite understand the benefit of this? I’m not necessarily against gap years, maybe I just need more info on this? When you say focus on UCAT for Flinders, do you also mean for JMP and JPM (presumably ATAR is enough for them?). I don’t see the point of a gap year that only facilitates access to a single Uni on the basis of an aptitude test.

If you mean other unis too, then sure whatever…

But if not, I’m confused! Starting Uni and doing UCAT again opens up all the non-standard options (perhaps minus UNSW if ATAR <96). Not to mention brings the OP closer to graduate entry where a 3 year degree + 4 year Med would be the same 7 year outcome, including at Flinders where an undergrad there will give them access to reduced requirements. Non-standard applications along the way could come with even shorter outcomes such as 1 Yr undergrad + 5 years Med = 6 years.

I could just be missing something in this advice though!

 

[A1]

I could just be missing something in this advice though!

It's to make use of OP's UES-boosted 99.95 and reduce Flinders requirements to just UCAT. If they score 95+%ile Flinders is practically 100% chance.

Versus starting uni 95+%ile forfeits the 100% for 25%-33% chances at UNSW WSU JMP. (Less than 95%ile is unlikely to get these interviews so I don't count that case in).

 

[ucat3300+]

If they score 95+%ile Flinders is practically 100% chance.

Damn back in my days with UES boosted 99.95 all you needed was ~92nd percentile UCAT. Med Entry is getting more and more difficult

I’m also in favour of a gap year here. If you work hard, a 95th+ UCAT is achievable - of course it’s not guaranteed but it’s not impossible. I did 8 hours of UCAT preparation everyday during my gap year and got 98th, so I’m a firm believer that effort is proportional to marks for the UCAT.

Interviews stop many intelligent 99.95 + 99th percentile kids every year from getting into medicine - interviews are hard and effort is not proportional to results as much as ATAR/UCAT because it is inherently a less objective process. Flinders’ no interview criteria is too good to forgo, it’s worth the risk of getting delayed by one year imo.

 

[A1]

interviews are hard and effort is not proportional to results as much as ATAR/UCAT because it is inherently a less objective process.

Totally agreed.
We see in another thread a 99.95 + near-top UCAT got a JMP offer, meaning they are not an interview dud. Yet UNSW rejected them solely on the interview. Interview marking is so subjective and/or dependent on the interviewers we randomly get.

 

[kkk]

Totally agreed.
We see in another thread a 99.95 + near-top UCAT got a JMP offer, meaning they are not an interview dud. Yet UNSW rejected them solely on the interview. Interview marking is so subjective and/or dependent on the interviewers we randomly get.

with interview scores being based on multiple interviewers' assessments hopefully the degree of subjectivity will be reduced (moderated)

 

[ucat3300+]

with interview scores being based on multiple interviewers' assessments hopefully the degree of subjectivity will be reduced (moderated)

Yes this is the rationale behind MMIs unfortunately UNSW sticks to a traditional panel interview with the same two people interviewing you for the entire duration (30 minutes). Hard to recover from a bad first impression, and the marking of each set of questions probably aren’t independent events. This is why MMIs are so much better and it is my personal hope that UNSW will join the rest of Australian universities and switch to the MMI.

Eta: I’m also just salty that MMI universities accepted me but UNSW rejected me.

 

[JeydinNewWon]

Yes this is the rationale behind MMIs unfortunately UNSW sticks to a traditional panel interview with the same two people interviewing you for the entire duration (30 minutes). Hard to recover from a bad first impression, and the marking of each set of questions probably aren’t independent events. This is why MMIs are so much better and it is my personal hope that UNSW will join the rest of Australian universities and switch to the MMI.

Oh I never knew that MMI was used to make interviews more objective! In hindsight, I think it's good because bombing one section doesn't mean you'll bomb the whole interview. Maybe UNSW can just make it MMI but still retain their same sectioned question format.

 

[ucat3300+]

Maybe UNSW can just make it MMI but still retain their same sectioned question format.

Yes to my knowledge this is basically what Adelaide did in switching from traditional interview to MMI this year. Just UNSW (and JCU) left to go

A1 adds: Fyi UWA switched to MMI just a year or two before Adelaide, so thank your lucky stars you escaped another panel meltdown there

 

[Mama54]

Hi, Everyone:
Happy new year! Thanks so much for MSO's information and members kindness help! My daughter have been offered UNSW Med. unbonded place non-standard entry recently. Email received on 23/1/2023. UCAT 96%. Uni score 85%.

May God bless everyone who seek their dream !

 

[dr23]

Hi, I am a non-standard applicant for entry in 2024! I was a little confused on which universities accept non-standard applicants for both medicine and dentistry, so I would be very grateful if anyone could answer to this. Also, I somehow heard that there are prerequisites to the courses? Do I need to take them in my undergraduate degree? I thought I could take any undergraduate degree and apply?

 

[A1]

Hi, I am a non-standard applicant for entry in 2024! I was a little confused on which universities accept non-standard applicants for both medicine and dentistry, so I would be very grateful if anyone could answer to this. Also, I somehow heard that there are prerequisites to the courses? Do I need to take them in my undergraduate degree? I thought I could take any undergraduate degree and apply?

Afaik JCU and CSU/JPM accept non-standard for both med & dent. Take a look in the tables below for any prereqs
> [Undergrad] - (2020 Updated) Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards
> UPDATED Dentistry Schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

You need to have done the prereq(s) in your Y12, or your undergrad, or enrol in a bridging course which must be completed by end of the year (to be considered for offers in the January or February rounds).

 

[dr23]

Afaik JCU and CSU/JPM accept non-standard for both med & dent. Take a look in the tables below for any prereqs
> [Undergrad] - (2020 Updated) Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards
> UPDATED Dentistry Schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

You need to have done the prereq(s) in your Y12, or your undergrad, or enrol in a bridging course which must be completed by end of the year (to be considered for offers in the January or February rounds).

Does it matter that I do the prerequisites in uni if I have already done english, chem and maths ext 2 in hsc? Also, does it really matter what undergraduate course you do before you try for med or dent again?

 

[last resort]

No you can apply from any course. Just make sure you pick a course you actually enjoy though. In my opinion you will do better if you enjoy it. - in the same boat as you rn

 

[A1]

Does it matter that I do the prerequisites in uni if I have already done english, chem and maths ext 2 in hsc?

Adding to last resort's reply, prereqs require you to have done them. If you do at both HSC and uni levels it's no problem.

 

[quest]

Hi, Everyone:
Happy new year! Thanks so much for MSO's information and members kindness help! My daughter have been offered UNSW Med. unbonded place non-standard entry recently. Email received on 23/1/2023. UCAT 96%. Uni score 85%.

May God bless everyone who seek their dream !

Congratulations .... could you please share which uni. degree she did and from where? thanks

 

[flower power :)]

Adding to last resort's reply, prereqs require you to have done them. If you do at both HSC and uni levels it's no problem.

A1 hi! i saw on a thread that you listed that monash uni did internal transfers into med? I can't seem to find info on this anywhere, could you possibly link something that says more about this anywhere?
thank you thank you

[Undergrad] - (2023 Updated) Med schools Selection Criteria Y12s & Non-standards

Hi - Welcome to MSO. Join us and post up your questions you'll get lots more useful tips than just from this table. __________________________________________________________ Hope this helps sort out the different requirements to get an undergrad/provisional Medicine place in Aus. For dentistry...

medstudentsonline.com.au

 

[last resort]

hi roses:) I think this is what A1 might have been referring to. Biomedical Science Pathway to Graduate Entry Medicine
It is extremely competitive and for a rough idea, I have a friend's sister who got an interview with a WAM of 87 in biomed and yet didn't receive a place and the minimum cut off for an interview was 84 WAM I believe

A1 adds: Thanks for helping answer, yes that is the pathway I referred to.
I don't view it as internal transfer, more like graduate entry since applicants need to complete a Bachelor then apply for entry to Monash Graduate school, not the BMed+MD undergrad school. Different schools but I think they do the final 3 years together.

 

[Doradoraaa]

Hi guys
I'm taking 3 courses (while full time students take 4 subjs) per semester at uni - how do I have to calculate my GPA to see whether I have a good enough GPA for med/dent entry?

 

[last resort]

im guessing you are a non-standard? if you are a non standard im pretty sure you'll need 1FTE for your GPA to be considered. 1FTE = 8 units in the year - Correct me if I'm wrong A1. As for the GPA calculations i am unsure myself, my uni uses WAM so I am pretty sure its calculated by UAC or the Unis themselves. Im not exactly sure how GPA is calculated or should I say standardized across unis that use WAM and unis that use GPA. Please correct me on this someone!

 

[A1]

Im not exactly sure how GPA is calculated or should I say standardized across unis that use WAM and unis that use GPA. Please correct me on this someone!

Assuming the courses are equal size i.e. standard 4 courses per semester (note some courses can be double-sized or even quadruple the whole semester is 1 course) - GPA is simply the sum of the individual grade points (HD 7, D 6 etc) divide by the number of courses.

This GPA formula is the same whether you've done 1 semester or 1 year or 2 years. Where it matters is if you've done less than 1FTE the same GPA converts to a much lower Selection rank.

if you are a non standard im pretty sure you'll need 1FTE for your GPA to be considered.

This^ is only true for JMP.
JCU & WSU consider your GPA when it's 1 semester = 0.5+FTE (but WSU will also take your ATAR if it's better). UNSW is 0.75+FTE. They like to use all different criteria to keep us muddled