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Otago HSFY chat - archive

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I never went lol. Bro screw HUBS study, start studying for CELS!! DOnt get caught out.

Most of 2nd year stuff isnt done in the med school as such I dont think (probably wrong on this though), like lectures arent and we use the Hunter Centre a lot. Guess we will have anat/physiology labs in the med school itself at some point though. Heaps of non med people go in there too like dent, physio, PE anatomy student etc. I never knew until this year lol:lol:
 
I think everyone needs to chill. CELS is ages away. So is the Anatomy Musem. Its just fancy prosections and you probably don't need to go.
 
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Most of 2nd year stuff isnt done in the med school as such I dont think (probably wrong on this though), like lectures arent and we use the Hunter Centre a lot.
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Well I suppose the Hunter Centre is also an important part of the med school (but I know what you mean).

Check out our timetable after the break though - WAY more actual science. Heaps of anatomy (notice that we haven't had a single anatomy lecture yet) and physiology, so it looks like things are about to change.
 
It wasn't really serious study, just partly out of interest.

And yeah, I've started studying for CELS... it's my least favourite paper... gurr.
 
At least you guys don't get your CELS GLM material tested in the mid term test itself :( The CELS test will definitely be the hardest out of the 4 papers.

And you 2nd years should enjoy not having to do work through behavioural med. When musculoskeletal starts you actually have to start doing something :(
 
I'm getting together a group to all do ours thoroughly together. Marks are marks. I don't believe that CELS will be as simple as HUBS either, correct? Judging by the GLM book, anyway. (Identifying structures in electron micrographs isn't as clear cut!)

If they wanted it to be individual it would be assessed as such. I'm pretty sure both CELS and HUBS understand that people "cheat" on the GLM tests - in fact, the HUBS department encouraged working together on GLMs in the introductory lecture.
 
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If they wanted it to be individual it would be assessed as such. I'm pretty sure both CELS and HUBS understand that people "cheat" on the GLM tests - in fact, the HUBS department encouraged working together on GLMs in the introductory lecture.
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Working together on the GLM booklet is not what I was referring to earlier. That sounds pretty alright to me.

What I meant was that some people actually used other people's answers for the Blackboard test and just blindly selected the answer they were told to select by their friends without even understanding the question.
 
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I'm getting together a group to all do ours thoroughly together. Marks are marks. I don't believe that CELS will be as simple as HUBS either, correct? Judging by the GLM book, anyway. (Identifying structures in electron micrographs isn't as clear cut!)

If they wanted it to be individual it would be assessed as such. I'm pretty sure both CELS and HUBS understand that people "cheat" on the GLM tests - in fact, the HUBS department encouraged working together on GLMs in the introductory lecture.
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Last year we got our marks immediately after sitting the GLM tests for CELS (this year you only get them after the test closes), and in fact for the first GLM we got 2 attempts. This led to people collaborating, using their first attempts to try out possible answers, or using "lesser students" (BSc students taking CELS) attempts to do the same thing, trying to find the correct answers and then upon finding them passing them around their friends/study groups. At the time it was just what you did to get a good mark, but it could definately be regarded as cheating.

You'll see when you do the GLM tests (particularly the second one) that many of the questions are very vague in what they want, and not really written from the perspective of a student sitting the test (e.g. a sentence with gaps to fill in - while the correct complete sentence may make sense, there are many other possibilities that would also make sense - something that didn't seem to have been considered by the writer. For example, there was one question last year where a few of us were debating the best grammatical interpretation of a comma, just because that interpretation would change the best answer). There are also questions where the answer could be so easily debated (classic one from the second test last year - which 3 of these 6 diseases would an unvaccinated first year university student be most likely to get?), yet you are expected to choose one definate answer. There were also instances where the "correct" answer directly contradicted the textbook readings and resources you were told to refer to in the relevant part of the GLM booklet.

So yes, while the material is harder than HUBS, the hard part comes down to working out how you are meant to interpret many of the test questions, with subtleties in the wording becoming very important, and in the end it can just be a matter of "does my opinion agree with the examiners?". This is why so much cheating resulted - I doubt it would have happened if doing well on the test had just been about knowing the stuff. This is also why I would rather it was in the exam - at least then you demonstrate your knowledge and understanding through the quality of your explanations (rather than having to approach a question with exactly the same mindset as the writer).
 
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HUBS test was good, now on to CELS study... Pretty sure I did well, not really keen on talking about it too much, don't want to jinx myself!

Someone at my hall proclaimed straight out of the test "I got 100% without a doubt" then shortly later I quietly had to tell him he got the motor unit question wrong...

greenglacier don't forget to check your PMs..
 
What did people write for which factor didnt cause variability in the value of a controlled variable in healthy individuals?

what the motor unit = motor neuron + muscle fibres it innervates

and what about for the question (6) which asked what wasnt right about communicational system ?
 
Genetic variance in an individual day- to day.

Motor unit is a motor neuron plus all the muscle fibres it innervates. /shamelessly edited

I'm pretty sure that the answer was "nervous communication systems do not use chemical signals" (False) - instead action potentials along nerve fibers. They do need certain receptors.
 
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Genetic variance in an individual day- to day.

Motor unit is a motor neuron plus all the nerve fibres it innervates.

I'm pretty sure that the answer was "nervous communication systems do not use chemical signals" (False) - instead action potentials along nerve fibers. They do need certain receptors.
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Yeah, I did the same for the last 2 questions because C implies the pathway for neuronal communication is the bloodstream which it isnt.. its axons.
Wasn't It "motor neuron plus all the muscle fibres it innvervates"

But I put that the reference range cant cause variation in the controlled variable, I thought the reference range was just a measure not an actual effector?
 
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