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UMelb UMelb Dentistry: Entry Questions and Discussion

Apparently though:

With the new DDS - you get paid final year something around 38K cause you'll be working in private practices.
 
Hi guys,

I'm a third year Science student at the University of Melbourne. My GAMSAT score while although may not be competitive, was sufficient in ticking most pre-requisites.
Anyway, I had a really rough year this year. A bout of depression led to failing two units in semester one- along with delivering a blow to shatter all my dreams of entering postgraduate health science courses. I resolved to just give up on my pursuits as now I won't graduate until June 2011- which disqualifies me from applications this year. Also, the double fail would have sunk my GPA battleship for sure.

However, I was incredibly surprised and astounded to find that I was given an offer into Dental Surgery at Melbourne University, despite having my transcript clearly state that I failed two units. In my disbelief I called to make sure that this offer was legitimate- and it was. I'm delighted so see that there possibly is a future in me for health sciences, but I worry that the University will rescind my offer when they come to understand of my circumstance.

My only resort now is to apply for a deferral, but in my excitement I clicked on accepting my offer- I mean, who wouldn't in my situation? But upon reading over the offer, there is a section to apply for deferral, but it states that I should not accept or decline my offer until my deferral outcome is known.

What am I to do in this situation? Have I just screwed up a really good thing? I don't want to personally confront the faculty on this matter as I worry that they'll go, "oops, our bad" and just cross me off the list. Is there any advice that anyone can give me regarding my situation?
 
That's the DDSc not the DDS.

DDSc = Doctor of Dental Science - it's a research degree.

You're looking for the Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS)

DDS = new post-graduate entry undergraduate dental degree (like the BDent or current BDSc)
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Ah, this is frustrating, and my comment is unnecessary. But I'm going to add it because I'm somewhat pedantic.

All you people who have been talking about undergrad vs post grad degrees are missing a term. Graduate.

The Bachelor of Dental Science is an Undergraduate degree. (BDSc)
A Masters of Dental Science or a Doctor of Dental Science are both Post-Graduate degrees.(MSc, DDSc at UQ)

The four year programs you gain entry into after completing a separate undergraduate are Graduate degrees. Not post-graduate. (4 yr MBBS, DDS)

A graduate degree is a degree that requires you to have completed another degree - but because that degree does not necessarily have to be in the same field, the second degree you gain entry into is not technically a post-graduate. A graduate degree still only puts you on entry level in that field. Because post-grads imply further learning and/or research in the field of your first degree.

I think the reason people are getting confused by this though is the way the universities are starting to mess with their names in order to make us think their degrees are better. e.g. Melbourne calling its graduate dental degree Doctor of dental surgery, when at UQ their highest research degree for dent is a Doctor of Dental Science. Add to that UQ have called their specialisation degree the Doctor of Clinical Dentistry, where at Melbourne it used to be a Masters of Dental Science.... of course then you have Griffith calling things Graduate diplomas and confusing everyone because it sounds worse (why oh why did they decide on that name *facepalm*)

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Accepting and deferring a year might be the best option - if they offered you a conditional offer.

Worst off - you don't have an offer. Best off - you can get in next year.
 
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Ah, this is frustrating, and my comment is unnecessary. But I'm going to add it because I'm somewhat pedantic.

All you people who have been talking about undergrad vs post grad degrees are missing a term. Graduate.

The Bachelor of Dental Science is an Undergraduate degree. (BDSc)
A Masters of Dental Science or a Doctor of Dental Science are both Post-Graduate degrees.(MSc, DDSc at UQ)

The four year programs you gain entry into after completing a separate undergraduate are Graduate degrees. Not post-graduate. (4 yr MBBS, DDS)

A graduate degree is a degree that requires you to have completed another degree - but because that degree does not necessarily have to be in the same field, the second degree you gain entry into is not technically a post-graduate. A graduate degree still only puts you on entry level in that field. Because post-grads imply further learning and/or research in the field of your first degree.

I think the reason people are getting confused by this though is the way the universities are starting to mess with their names in order to make us think their degrees are better. e.g. Melbourne calling its graduate dental degree Doctor of dental surgery, when at UQ their highest research degree for dent is a Doctor of Dental Science. Add to that UQ have called their specialisation degree the Doctor of Clinical Dentistry, where at Melbourne it used to be a Masters of Dental Science.... of course then you have Griffith calling things Graduate diplomas and confusing everyone because it sounds worse (why oh why did they decide on that name *facepalm*)

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It's not "that" hard. Most post-graduate programs are changing their titles to DClinDent(perio) etc.

DDSc is still the highest research degree you can get.

BDSc, BDS, DDS, BDent are all the same. If anything's confusing - it's the LaTrobe Degree. It implies that there's a master's workload with the last 2 years of the dental surgery degree. Other than that, you can call yourself whatever you like - as long as you have your Dental License and Registration.
 
It's the word on the street - give admissions a call about that. Better yet - find out who the final year coordinator will be and ask them straight up.
 
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If anyone could please help me with some questions I would greatly appreciate it.

I just received my offer for a FFP place for DDS at Melbourne.....not ideal but......

so I am just wondering if anyone could let me know some downsides of studying DDS at Melbourne as a FFP student, beside the obvisou financial issues of course, such as implications on the future career/practice (would FFP students be disadvantaged when it comes to job opportunity).

And how hard is it to find a job nowadays as a fresh dental graduate in the metro area?

Thanks so much for your help in advance.

Kind regards
 
i just got a reply from the school manager and he said that it's not true cause in the final year we will be working in community health centers but he said best to wait till we start the year and get more information from them.. oh well..

Just wondering how much did you spend on your dental equipments and instruments?
 
If anyone could please help me with some questions I would greatly appreciate it.

I just received my offer for a FFP place for DDS at Melbourne.....not ideal but......

so I am just wondering if anyone could let me know some downsides of studying DDS at Melbourne as a FFP student, beside the obvisou financial issues of course, such as implications on the future career/practice (would FFP students be disadvantaged when it comes to job opportunity).

And how hard is it to find a job nowadays as a fresh dental graduate in the metro area?

Thanks so much for your help in advance.

Kind regards

There isn't any obvious downside being a FFP student in dentistry as for job prospects - as most of the sector is private. (roughly 90%)

Metro areas will be hard due to a higher saturation - not really sure how difficult it is at the moment though.
 
i just got a reply from the school manager and he said that it's not true cause in the final year we will be working in community health centers but he said best to wait till we start the year and get more information from them.. oh well..

Just wondering how much did you spend on your dental equipments and instruments?

Currently in the 5 year BDSc program - we will do community clinic rotations. However, with the 4 year DDS program taking in more students - a past member of faculty who was part of making the 4 year program told a few of the students that the final year in the DDS program will involve private practice placements.

Spending on equipment - can't say I recall exactly. Probably roughly between 3.5-4 thousand dollars for your handpieces, loupes, articulators, etc.
 
Accepting and deferring a year might be the best option - if they offered you a conditional offer.

Worst off - you don't have an offer. Best off - you can get in next year.


Well, I asked the folks at the Biomed and Health Sciences info desk about admissions into graduate entry dental surgery- and he just straight up said that my offer would be withdrawn on account of not qualifying with the degree. No deferral granted.

So I think I have it worst off. And that is really a frustrating slap to the face- because although I am aware that I am not deserving the offer on account of how I messed up last semester, I don't think I should be put through a grind-wheel of hope and anxiety on discrepancies they ought to have picked up- especially since I had given up hope on health sciences due to my results.
I even called up the to double check that my offer was legitimate.

Thank you for the help, regardless. *sigh* I guess I should roll my dice again and see how the outlook is next year..
I hope there is some way of redeeming oneself for admission again next year?
 
Currently in the 5 year BDSc program - we will do community clinic rotations. However, with the 4 year DDS program taking in more students - a past member of faculty who was part of making the 4 year program told a few of the students that the final year in the DDS program will involve private practice placements.

Spending on equipment - can't say I recall exactly. Probably roughly between 3.5-4 thousand dollars for your handpieces, loupes, articulators, etc.


Thanks for the info =)

Yeah it will be good to be paid in our last year to help clear off some debts though .. but I doubt it will happen cause we are still students =(
 
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